i did not start shit? i was trying to give someone information, the things i was unsure about i questioned! you had to come on and try to make me look like i give out wrong info? i try to help, and well i will admit i dont know a shit load about pre-obd, i am sure i can answer any question you want to know about obd1-obd2- and second gen obd2! but your right i really dont care either, just dont come on bashing someone you dont know! peace