i have made a post about bitching that i loose to my friends stock se-r all the time.....the only time i beat him is from like a 70 roll and thats only because of the difference in profile. se-r's are really rare and my friends is the nicest car ive seen for this amount of money the ONLY downside is that se-r s are fwd but even then ohh darn you cant drift ohhh well thats an expensive ass sport and not to manny people around here accually know what the hell they are doing........ but yea sorry i bitch alot but bottom line if i could go back i would have waited a little longer and bought the se-r. dont get me wrong i love my 240 but its called the bandwagon for a reason i cant go a day without seeing one on the streets. get an se-r.