Ok I have a question I plan on putting a turbo in my 99 Gsr before Xmas. Any Ideas as to what turbo kit I should go with? DRAG3?FMAX?GREDDY? Are there any pros or Cons to any of these kits or are they all relativley the same? Any imput would be appreciated.

Shinmantis

 

Plan on spending more money than you ever thought you had to do it right...wanna see the reciepts?

But if you decide to challenge it I prefer the Drag...and wouldnt think of the GReddy...Just my .02

RR

 

Hey Ricerocket did you do the installation yourself? or did you have a bad experience with the Tuner shops? Sounds like you had a bitch of a time from the sound of your post.

 

Actually Spec-R is doing the install as we speak. I am extremely satisfied with the work they have done so far. Here is my point...

Dont buy a $3000 kit thinking thats all youll need. What about IGN box plugs coil cap wires clutch gauges turbo timer gaskets larger exhuast boost controller (optional) and a host of other small items that you will want so you dont mess your car up. The list is long.

We havent even talked about things like torque steer. Do you want your steering wheel to be yanked every time you shift? if not a Kaaz LSD or Quaiffe ABTD is in your future.

Wanna run a little more boost? you may want to resleeve the engine forged pistons rods block guard etc.

Dont forget about fuel delivery...maybe larger injectors and a larger fuel pump. But if you go with a really good fuel pump you might want to upgrade the fuel lines as well.

Tuning is essential to a good car. Start off with some timing gears then move to a Jackson Racing Adj fuel regulator maybe a Apex S-AFC. Plan some dyno time for this.

Computers...If you want too avoid the infamous check engine light (which may cause you to loose vtec on a OBD2 car like yours) you will either need to get a custom OBD2 cat with the correct in/out dimensions (Random Technology is making mine) or do a popular OBD2 to OBD1 ecu conversion which requires an ECU out of a 94-95 GS-R and a KENJI wiring harness. You might also want to purchase a billet check valve for your map sensor.

I did not perform everything listed here and I know I probably forgot something but there is a lot to consider.

If you still want to do it (which is up to you) I will assit you in anyway you like. I didnt know what I was getting into when I started and wish I could have found somebody who could lead me in the right direction.

Most importantly find a shop that YOU trust. If you dont trust them or feel uncomfortable dont go there. Its your money and its your car. Think about it.

If you have any other ?s about boost feel free to post them here. I will try to answer them all and If I dont have an answer I will help you find one.

Would I do it again? Let me drive my car when its done then Ill answer that ?.

RiceRocket

Hope I didnt disapoint you.

 

Heheh Yeah thats a pretty long list and dont worry im far from disappointed. I figure I will need most if not all of that stuff in the near future. BTW do you have a Drag3 in your SI? I really want a kit I can build on later but that i can run out of the box without too much extra stuff.

 

I have nothing to hide (except my car from theft!)...

Heres my setup-
1999 Civic Si
B18C1 Shortblock (GS-R) with B16a head and tranny
Drag Gen 3 Turbo Kit (& included items)
Quaiffe ABTD ACT full race clutch
Walbro 255 Fuel Pump
Jun Cam Gears
Race Engineering Block Guard
Greddy Turbo Timer
Autometer boost and A/F guages
Random Tech Catalytic Conv
Thermal 3 Exhaust
MSD 6a Blaster 3 coil cap and wires
NGK Plugs
Energy Suspension Motor mount inserts
I know I am forgetting something...oh well.



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RiceRocket & The Blue Bullet Eating Fords and Shitting Chevys

 

I guess Im stupid when it comes to upgrading Hondas buy why do you guys have to put in block guards or sleeve the blocks. Is there something with the way the block was designed thats theres to much side load under boost. Just curious as no other turbo cars I know of need to do this.



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V8 SLAYR

 

Well since most Honda engines are designed to run 160 (b16a) to 195 (b18c5) at the crank...you have to stifen things up when you decide to BOOST a Honda.

Blockguards are new to the scene. Because a honda engine has a water jacket as in not a solid block the cylinder walls move under pressure. A blockguard is an aluminum spacer? that slides around the cylinder walls allowing limited movement so that the walls will not crack. This is recommended at the 300hp mark.

Resleeving is actually recommended if you plan on running HIGH boost. I would say 15-22 PSI and you would want to resleeve the engine with better cylinder walls. The Honda factory walls can not handle this much pressure and will crack.

Hondas were not designed to be Turbocharged.

I am hoping for 275hp at the wheels. :hoping:

Does this help?



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RiceRocket & The Blue Bullet Eating Fords and Shitting Chevys

 

Ign box you can wait..
Coil cap and wires you can wait
Clutch you can wait
Turbo Timer you can wait
Boost Controller you can wait
Gaskets YOU NEED
Exhaust upgrade you can wait
Torque steer delt with later
Engine upgrades you can wait
Fuel pump upgrade YOU NEED
Larger injectors you can wait
Larger lines you can wait

My take on it is dont just do all that at once.. Yes you need better exhuast and you need better ignition.. etc.. But if you start out that way you will probably never get it done.. Get the Turbo get what you need to install it and run the recommend boost for that set up and no more.... Once you get that phase taken care of then go about upgrading the exhaust ignition system..

I mean all the stuff listed above you will have to upgrade for more power.. But if you start out that you need all that for a Turbo.. Nobody will ever get one installed... Stick with guages and equipment to tune the car.. Once you get it running installed and working right go for more upgrades... Or else you will install all this stuff and if something doesnt work right it will be VERY hard to diagnose..

I am in the same process now.. and although many of the items listed above I have already purchased I will not install them untill the Turbo is on and running... This way I know it works with no problems... Then I will install the rest and verify operation.. I tell you this becuase I have seen to many people to a entire rebuild and the car run like crap.. Did the turbo work? Did the engine rebuild work right? Is the ignition system working right? Who knows and it is hard to find out... ES..

 

RiceRocket
I some what follow what your saying. Ive never seen one of the Honda short blocks so its a little difficult to understand the water jacket principle. I know what a sleeve looks like on a regular block is this one some how different?

I guess I just need to see some pics of some so I can sort it out in my mind.


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