well said

 

W3rd... When you fab up an SC system, one thing has to be precise, and thats the SC mount bracket. you have to ahve the thing sturdy enough not to flex when you tension the belt, and you also have to have the mountnig depth of the SC perfect too... if you dont, youll eat up and/or throw belts off. You also have to have the ANGLE of the SC perfectly parallell w/ the centerline of the motor, cuz if the pully is cockeyed youll eat up and/or throw belts.

but, on a Turbo system, you can weld up the exhaust manifold anyway you see fit, you can run the oil lines any way you want, coolant lines any way, DP any way that will fit... etc... tehre really isnt anything precise about a Turbo kit that i can think of... if you mess up the measurements or whatever... you can just grind and weld. id much rather fab up a turbo kit than an SC kit... partly cuz i like turbos anyhow.

 

Very interesting..

 

I just like to say bottles are for babys real men get blown!
Do research you'll find what you really want. I would like to add
I've researched and end up with awesome Vortech charger simp-
licity at it's best !! A big Plus & ez on the wallet and no turbo timer is needed.:

 

uh ez on the wallet sure!! if 4-5k is considered ez on the wallet. And a turbo setup is definately cheaper even with boost controller and all the high end fancy add ons.

And no turbo timer wtf. the vortech install is specific about running oil lines, which means the compressor shaft is using the oil to cool and lubricate (just like on a turbo) and if you think that the oil in the sc is not as hot as that on a turbo (well of a few degrees due to heat soak but its still f***ing HOT) then go smoke the same ish you were on when you decided to buy a vw.

that being said we all know hot oil in a turbo or the vortech sc ( which is just a belt driven turbo) will break down and when not shut down properly (either idling while you wait in the car or with a timer) will result in coking and the same oil starvation that happens in an exhaust driven turbo will happen in a belt driven one as well.

I have not seen a vortech rebuild kit readily available and would hate to see the price. please don't race that thing next to a nice car, I would hate to see a good car ( the other persons not the vw ) wrecked when you loose control after your engine ingests the parts from your recently blown compressor.


as for final power I'll take the turbo over the sc any day

your keep it simple statement is true K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Stupid....... well you did.... Keep It Simple...STUPID.

I think da truth was wanting an informed opinion on the subject not whatever the hell you have.

Do yourself a favor get a timer, Apexi makes one that actual is advertised as a timer for na and turbo vehicles... I don't think they will mind if you put it on your vortech vw as long as you hide it real good




I will admit there are 2 things vw has that is cool 1 the flip out ignition key and the stock blue gauge lighting. other than that you paid too much for the car.

 

Dude, if you think that a supercharger needs a turbo timer or that a SC can get hot enough to coke up the oil like a turbo does what the hell are you smoking?

I think you are missing out on the very important fact that a tubo gets extremely hot compared to a SC becuase there are 1500+ degree exhaust gasses that flow through it.

 

turbo=4cyl engines supercharges=8cyl engines thats all

 

yes the turbo gets heat soaked but dude would you stick your hand on a sc afer you just drove around town??? hell the oil in a na engine is hot as hell but hey I'll let you work on an engine, that has just driven around town, while its hot. oh and just another little tip you may want to turn off the motor first. and if you look you'll find the research done shows that a timer will also help a naturally aspirated engine prolong the oil life as well, so lets see a na engine can benifit from a timer, and a turbo engine can benifit from a timer, do you think a sc engine is a f*ng godsend and is immune to the same stresses, puff puff give.


in the interest of safety invest a $100 an take an hour or two out of your day to install a timer.

Take care of your engine and it will take care of you.

Treat your engine like ish and you will be on the gandy
bridge at 3am thumbing a ride home

and no I didn't miss the concept of the exhaust gas adding some heat if you read your own post with my quoted words it mentions heat soak ( thats when the heat from the exhaust causes other things near it to get hotter ) but like I said a na motor is hot as ish but hey you go screw up your own ish I'll take it safe and treat mine as well as possible while still getting the most out of it.

and 1500 + degrees how f*ng lean are you running try a little closer to 1000 - 1200.

 

the oil in an NA motor doesnt get much over 300*F as far as i can tell... The oil is used to cool the motor just like coolant is. and if the coolant doesnt get over 220*F, i doubt the oil is going to get higher than double that... so its not gonna get near the point where it cokes up... itll start to create vapors and "steam" but not break down into basic carbon granules. at least it shouldnt.

if you are pussy footing an NA motor, you cant cool it down anymore than it was while you were driving it... now if you are BEATING on one at high RPM's and high load, it would benefit from a short cooldown cycle, not more than a minute. sometimes, itll get HOTTER sitting still than it will if its moving, w/ air flowing around it and the radiator/coolers.

Most of the Vortechs ive seen have sealed oil resivours and give you a special lube to use in it... i havent seen a centrifugal supercharger that makes you run external oil feed and drain lines. and a centrifugal blower will get hot, but not to the point of coking oil... the gear drive will build heat from friction, and the compressor will heat up the intake charge.

you are allowed to run up to 1600*F on most applications, or 900*C. anything above those temps and you are melting SHIT. (not "ish", but SHIT... its SHIT, got it?)

4cyl=turbo, 8cyl=blower?? are you sure? What about Tony christian's Twin turbo Pro-Street Bel-Air... what about the Grand National/Regal T-types? what about all the jackson racing blowers for the hondas and the neuspeed blowers for the VW's?