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Old Jul 9, 2010 | 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Enz01
Why bother man? You either shoot the wedding with what you got & call it a day or invest in some glass...
Because she asked me to. Also because as I stated in the other thread, I was also using the wedding as an excuse to get a new lens. I love repeating things but that is apparently what you get here.


Originally Posted by Enz01
The amount of time your wasting posting in this thread look on youtube for tips how to bang out the wedding....
So don't ask a specific question here in the photography forum, just look it up on youtube.....right?

Aside from the few that actually made an attempt to help my newb ass choose some budget equipment, this clearly is the best advice I've read yet.
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Old Jul 9, 2010 | 03:59 AM
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Figs: You're lost... Sign up to photograph a wedding with that mentality. And when you sink, guess who will look dumb? Not the members on an automotive forum that didn't give you tips/ pointers/ advice about wedding photography. You said "A lot of photographers won't let you shadow, so one can only learn by doing." Its kind of like looking for a job! If an employer tells you "Not at this time" are you going to crawl into a hole and live your life in the dark? Surprisingly, it actually works out to your advantage! You will learn 100X more if you are patient and continue asking! You will network and meet MANY photographers! The type you will want to work with in the future, the type you will stay away from, and when you become Florida's top wedding photographer you will tell your potential clients who to stay away from! Lisa "ALMOST" had the opportunity to shoot a wedding with me but I was able to make the wedding on-time... Typically, photographers are "worried" that you might take over clients! I think of it this way; If Im doing my job to the best of my ability and someone takes a client away from me, they deserve it and vise-versa!
I think what I said you took in the wrong way. I'm saying if I was in the OP shoes and if someone I personally know is giving me the opportunity to shoot their wedding even if they knew my lack of knowledge/equipment then I would do so. Not some random individual I don't know. Personally, you can only learn by doing. Reading on the Internet on how to photograph a wedding won't necessarily make you any better. Yes, its true most photographers won't let you shadow because they are scared you will steal their clients but if its a novice what is such the big deal? I don't think one wedding would make someone better then someone who has shot so many and has had years of experience. Last thing I'm thinking of is stealing anyone's clients to be honest. I am the type that likes to learn and I do so mostly by doing. That is why I said, if I'm given an opportunity to expand my photography I would take it. Lastly my question to you is, how would someone get into the wedding photography business without even shooting weddings? Knowledge and experience is gain somehow so how is it gained? I read your post and understand preparation but there's things on your numbered list that one can only learn by just doing. I have no experience in shooting weddings so this is why I am asking questions.

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Old Jul 9, 2010 | 05:01 AM
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Yawn...

CEMAYHALL, do you not update your site ? because from the looks of it , you've just done 1 wedding.
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Old Jul 9, 2010 | 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by TampasOriginalSoarer
Yawn...

CEMAYHALL, do you not update your site ? because from the looks of it , you've just done 1 wedding.
I visited his site as well, samething I noticed.
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Old Jul 9, 2010 | 05:31 AM
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Look at it this way, you want them to re-use you in the future so do a good job. And by re-use, I mean they are going to get divorced in 2yrs and both will remarry. It's 2010 for crying out loud. You just booked two future weddings.

Simple math really. No need to thank me.
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Old Jul 9, 2010 | 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Adrenalin
Well if getting more advice than I bargained for consists of someone not giving advice exactly like you did (or not in your case) and who obviously did not read or misread my original post and only posted that it was a bad idea is more than I bargained for then, well yeah, you're right.
You can't say I obviously didn't read (or misread) your post. I was simply giving advice, whether or not you take that advice is your prerogative. If you had said "What sort of gun should I use to shoot a baby rabbit?" and I said "Don't shoot the rabbit" - have I misunderstood something? No.

This is an open forum. You're not guaranteed to get exactly what you ask for. If you want everyone to tell you what you want to hear, you're in the wrong place.

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You apparently have not read the first post in this thread either since you still are way off.
See above.

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One more time for the reading and comprehension impared: She does not care. She's not expecting anything... at all. Are you starting to understand or are you that daft? Seriously dude?
You can tell me I'm wrong all you want, but once you start name calling (or calling anyone daft) there are going to be repercussions. This is your only warning.

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Critique my skill, artistic ability, knowledge and experience or lack of, I'm sure I could use it, and welcome it but how far down do I need to break this for you to get it? We're not talking about a girls first marriage who actually wants a true photographer.

Is this thing on?

Post some of the pictures and I'll be happy to critique for you. Once the pictures are taken the damage is, or is not, done. Doing an event like this is certainly a good experience for you. My only concern was that you may not get the results that you (and the families) wanted. If you think there's no chance of that (as you keep saying) then more power to you. I'm not stopping you. I stand by my original comment that it's not a good idea, but what do you care? This is a forum. People say what they think. You're free to agree or disagree.

No hard feelings here.
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Old Jul 9, 2010 | 06:18 AM
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It looks like you already knew your answer when you made this thread so why get mad when people give you advise
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Old Jul 9, 2010 | 06:25 AM
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It is what it is. I tried, and I know Adrenalin and I tried our hardest.

Anyways, just to put case in point, my first wedding "I shot" (I say that because I was just a guest and wanted to play around, yes, I was that "Uncle Bob" haha) I had my old D50, Sb-24 that didn't quite work on the hot shoe, and a 50 1.8:

Actually these that I uploaded had no flash...It's all the rows except the last row.

Weddings & Engagements - a set on Flickr

So it's of course do-able with a very minimal investment.
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Old Jul 9, 2010 | 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Adrenalin
Because she asked me to. Also because as I stated in the other thread, I was also using the wedding as an excuse to get a new lens. I love repeating things but that is apparently what you get here.
Look a cheap starter lens would be a basic 50mm. You can find those for under 100.00 if she gives you any-more then that, buy a basic flash. If you don't want a flash because you rather get more glass then your doing it all for your self not to better her wedding so my best suggestion is get a 50, and grab a flash & call it a day.


So don't ask a specific question here in the photography forum, just look it up on youtube.....right?
I never said you could ask on here, I'm telling you your wasting your time trying to prove your self here. I'd rather use my time more productive then what you are doing. I just know that if I looked on youtube for 8hrs and watch videos on how to get quick an fast composition you'll actually learn something.

I believe on youtube, there is videos on how-to-shoot a wedding 101 type of deal. I'm not trying to be a jerk to you, I'm simply trying to help you out.

I honestly think the answer I gave you is the best you'll get since I highly doubt your friend will dish out any more then 500$ and if she would, she might as well paid some cheap photographer to shoot it.
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Old Jul 9, 2010 | 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Figs
I think what I said you took in the wrong way. I'm saying if I was in the OP shoes and if someone I personally know is giving me the opportunity to shoot their wedding even if they knew my lack of knowledge/equipment then I would do so. Not some random individual I don't know. Personally, you can only learn by doing. Reading on the Internet on how to photograph a wedding won't necessarily make you any better. Yes, its true most photographers won't let you shadow because they are scared you will steal their clients but if its a novice what is such the big deal? I don't think one wedding would make someone better then someone who has shot so many and has had years of experience. Last thing I'm thinking of is stealing anyone's clients to be honest. I am the type that likes to learn and I do so mostly by doing. That is why I said, if I'm given an opportunity to expand my photography I would take it. Lastly my question to you is, how would someone get into the wedding photography business without even shooting weddings? Knowledge and experience is gain somehow so how is it gained? I read your post and understand preparation but there's things on your numbered list that one can only learn by just doing. I have no experience in shooting weddings so this is why I am asking questions.
I must have read it wrong As you can tell it was pretty late and my reading comprehension skills were gone! Sorry... To answer your question about shooting a wedding for someone: You can talk to a photographer and if you're serious about photography (and want to make a career out of it) ask them if you can be an apprentice with the possibility of hire? If you land it, I guarantee you will shoot a couple of weddings in a months time! Also if they do any sub-contracted work, you will get the opportunity to edit other photographers weddings! This will help with ideas and also tell you what photographers to stay away from in the future. (Going back to the statement someone said about having the best glass in the world but if you don't know how to use it, the pictures will still be off). I've edited weddings for photographers that charge double from what I charge with the submitted photo's being comparable to a camera phone if not worse...

Sorry again about the confusion! Good luck and don't give up...

Originally Posted by TampasOriginalSoarer
Yawn...
CEMAYHALL, do you not update your site ? because from the looks of it , you've just done 1 wedding.
You dont know me by screen name but Im the guy who used to bring you Papa Jon's pizza (off of Gunn Hwy.) all of the time... And to answer your question, I stole that wedding set off-line and used it for my personal collection.

Actually, I run my ship a little differently than most other photographers. As one would think, weddings are meant to be very special and a "private" moment in most couples life's (this is why people send out invitations to only the people they want there.) I give my clients complete privacy unless written in my contract other-wise... Some people like the fame of having their wedding splashed on the internet and others (most of my clients) like the idea that not everyone can peek into a window to view their personal moments that were only meant to be shared with family and friends. Sure it's easy to say "I took the picture's and I'll do whatever I want to do with them" but thats not how I choose run things.

The wedding that is spot-lighted on my site has probably been there for over a year and I continuously get positive feed-back (bookings from what they see) so I figure why change what's already working?

P.S. I'm not mad that you Yawned at me! Im actually going to call you bc I want to get some things printed by you...
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