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Old May 29, 2010 | 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by jake2k
But when you convert it to sRGB it switches the colors around so whats the point of editing it in AdobeRBG if it's not gonna come out the same in the end?
Adobe RGB has more colors, so you would edit in adobe RGB for printing. It would look better on the web if browsers loaded color profiles... but they default to srgb.

Still not sure exactly when you are getting a color change, or what the colors are doing. Are they desaturaing? Try using monitor rgb in photoshops display settings.
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Old May 29, 2010 | 05:02 AM
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Make 100% sure you're doing "covert to profile" and not "apply profile" in photoshop too.
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Old May 29, 2010 | 12:22 PM
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I'm trying to avoid having to convert to anything, I'd like to just be able to load the image, edit it, and save it without any changes. In this pic I have everything set to sRGB and I'm still getting a color shift:

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Old May 29, 2010 | 11:01 PM
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I did a little experiment to see on what steps the color is changing and by how much.

The Setup:

I got some paint color swatches from walmart and stuck them to my fridge

then I put my D90 on a tripod and set everything to manual so nothing would change between the shots, white balance = fluorescent, f/stop = 7.1, shutter speed = 1/3, iso 200, picture control = standard

I then took 4 photos, RAW-AdobeRGB, RAW-sRGB, JPEG-AdobeRGB, and JPEG-sRGB

The Test: (only tested JPEG-sRGB as of now)

I used Paint.net, which is a free editing program that doesn't use custom color profiles to copy screen prints from all the steps I take from upload to save and see where the color shifts take place and by how much.

First I opened the JPEG-sRGB in Paint.net(PDN) as my "control", then I previewed the same photo in Nikon's ViewNX, took a screen print and added it to a new layer in PDN, then I opened it in Photoshop CS3 and again took a screen print, and lastly I saved the file and opened it in Firefox and took a final screen print.

So now I have 4 layers in PDN: original, viewnx , photoshop, firefox

After comparing the colors in each layer I can see that original and firefox are a match and viewnx and photoshop are a match but both sets differ from each other. So basically:

original vs. viewnx = change

viewnx vs. photoshop = doesn't change

photoshop vs. firefox = change

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original vs. firefox = doesn't change



So it seems that viewnx and photoshop are using a different color profile then my computer/screen and firefox, right?

I went and double checked and here are the profiles everything is set to:

Camera = sRGB

Nikon Transfer = Imbed ICC profile during transer

ViewNx = Use imbedded profile

Photoshop = sRGB IEC61966-2.1

Firefox = ?

Sorry for the long write up, I hope someone can help me figure this out.
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Old Jun 1, 2010 | 05:21 AM
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Can you post (or PM) an image straight from the cam so I can see if I can duplicate the process?
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Old Jun 1, 2010 | 06:10 PM
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Here ya go:

JPEG-sRGB Standard on Flickr - Photo Sharing!

But I think I've narrowed the problem down to Firefox not supporting ICC profiles higher then version 2, I have previewed the same images in Safari which does have support for ICC profiles higher then v.2 and there is no color shift. So I guess either I will have to wait till Firefox supports v.4 ICC or find out why photoshop is using v.4 and change it to v.2.

Here is a forum post that I got alot of help on so far in case you want to see exactly whats going on: I can't get my saved images to match my edited images. - Photo.net Digital Darkroom Forum
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Old Jun 2, 2010 | 09:58 AM
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Cool. I had a feeling it was something to do with browsers not supporting color profiles as they should. Glad you got it figured out.

In the end though, when you counter in the varying quality (and even brightness) of monitors across your viewing audience... it probably doesn't matter too much. Have you had a chance to print anything and see how it compares yet?
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Not yet, do you have any suggestions for where to get some that aren't too pricey?
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Originally Posted by jake2k
Here ya go:

JPEG-sRGB Standard on Flickr - Photo Sharing!

But I think I've narrowed the problem down to Firefox not supporting ICC profiles higher then version 2, I have previewed the same images in Safari which does have support for ICC profiles higher then v.2 and there is no color shift. So I guess either I will have to wait till Firefox supports v.4 ICC or find out why photoshop is using v.4 and change it to v.2.

Here is a forum post that I got alot of help on so far in case you want to see exactly whats going on: I can't get my saved images to match my edited images. - Photo.net Digital Darkroom Forum
Does Chrome support it?
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I think Safari is the only browser atm that supports it but I'm not 100% sure.
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