REALLYYYY???!!! I thought that it was the price of your camera!!!!!

Seriously... I agree with you that it is the case, and there is a difference... but I really do not think that there should be, it is about using the camera to tell a the story, especially in an editorial, but unfortunately some people only see and open parking lot with a car in the middle. It been also a personal peeve(s) of mine the lenghts people will go through not to have a a single reflection in there car photos, and that a rig shot is as creative as it gets, thing is there are some award winning photo journalists people just need to get creative with their photos and forget some of the stupid rules!!!!

What really shocked me was that the early discussions centered around the price of the gear and was really surprised to see Ambientlife join the discussion and I enjoyed his input, I think the guy has a right to defend his work even though he did a lot more than that, to be quite honest I did not really expect him to stay around so long, sad though, but such is the nature of the beast!!!

 

@8600RPM: For what it worth you assumed that he was using an expensive rig, because he owned a hassy you judged him long before he responded and you were wrong it should have ended there!

I did not get the feeling that Tim was being an ass even when he challenged you to a discussion but you took it personally, flashed your credentials, missed a chance to compare work and have what may have been and interesting discussion about photography....


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Appreicate the comments, suggest that we maybe start again?

As a point of note the photographer does not enforce the requirement for each image to be totally refelection free and perfect, its the marketing guys and the art directors. The mark of a good commercial photographer in some cases is to be able technically to give them this result. However that said I do not venture down this road unless I am asked to as a lot of my work is shot out in location rather than CGI or in a clean white car studio. I'm best known for shooting rough and hard...

 

^Your pictures are great.

 

Great to see you back...

I understand the need for the request especially when you need to create a commercial and place the car elsewhere... The problem is that somewhere along the line it has become a "rule" even in editorial / magazine pieces, where there should be some sort of creative freedom. Thing is a lot of photographers in the community do not have these rigid demands.

My problem with it is that it looks unnatural, when light and iron combine there is bound to be reflection somewhere...

 

No, I said most people using that camera are probably using that rig, Which is an opinion. He later came back in and said that he was using an EMT rig, and also stated that he wasnt using the hasselblad when doing them, and rather a D3. So I wasnt wrong, I was correct. I wouldnt hang a $25,000 camera off of one, and he didnt either, would you?

I flashed no "credentials", and I dropped no names.

 

And I applaud you for not going CGI, as I'm sure you're well aware thats the direction a lot of automotive manufacturers are going in these days. I dont like it, I'm sure you dont, it's not pure.

 

Yeah where is the skill in that? I see and hear of too many car phots these days being asked simply to shoot the car from a certain angle and height and FTP the files in so that a graphics guy can spend 2 days playing with the 'raw data...' and make an image... Its very expensive, soulless and does notjning to promote the skill and craft of photography in my view. Sure its a marketing companiers dream as they have 'complete' control and in my expereince thats what most of them want, espeically after they've blown $20k of the clients budget already having 'product mood' meetings. Don't get me wrong I get on great with most marketing people and even went on a fishing party off shore last year with one, I'm sure he felt the day went well as he swam the 2 miles back...lol

If CGI continues to grow then the phot will simply become redundant. That said I don't think it ever will happen, sure people say its a matter of time but they are generally the same people that said wedding photography would die in a year after the VHS video camera came out...

So what the new thing, well interestingly enough its phots making films...