the man exhaust!
man you can alwasy count on jay whiltely for the perfect in every apsect rainman responses
he doesnt leave anything out
its alll in there every last bit damn jay
anyways
dude you know all i can think of
is with a huge straight pipe exhaust
you'd make one hell of a potato cannon
he doesnt leave anything out
its alll in there every last bit damn jay
anyways
dude you know all i can think of
is with a huge straight pipe exhaust
you'd make one hell of a potato cannon
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Originally posted by "KAMAKAZI"
3.5" x 2 = over kill/bottem end torque loss, if u wanna go big just get the greg dupree 3" downpipes
and open downpipes own all
Originally Posted by Chismoe
Man, I can only imagine how loud that will be. Tractor anyone?! 
See, i'm just going to by pass all that and run open downpipe! Put the exhaust money into cams or something.
Maybe I should get a 3.5" downpipe made or something!

See, i'm just going to by pass all that and run open downpipe! Put the exhaust money into cams or something.
Maybe I should get a 3.5" downpipe made or something!
3.5" x 2 = over kill/bottem end torque loss, if u wanna go big just get the greg dupree 3" downpipes
and open downpipes own all
Originally posted by "v8killer"
Exhaust sizing on turbo cars and NA cars is very different. In theory, you want the largest exhaust possible on a turbo setup. Of course, you can reach a point of diminishing returns at where going larger makes no additional power.
Turbos make power mainly by way of a pressure differential, delta P, where pressure is high before the turbo and low after it. The lower you can make the pressure after the turbo, the more power you will produce and the better the turbo will spool up. Therefore, a larger exhaust will always produce more power and better spoolup of the turbo. The decrease in lag will also translate into more low end torque on a dyno run, as the turbo is creating boost earlier in the power band.
The biggest exhaust you can put on a car would be to theoretically remove it completely and run an open down pipe. I have never heard of anyone complaining from power losses from an open downpipe.
The theory of having too large an exhaust hurting low end torque only applies to NA cars. There is a misnomer that NA cars need a certain amount of backpressure to create low end torque. This is not correct. On an NA car, you want to use the largest possible exhaust that will also create the highest exhaust gas velocity. That means that you want an NA exhaust to flow as much as possible without sacrificing the velocity of the exhaust gases. Of course, when you go larger with the exhaust, the velocity decreases, which hurts bottom end power.
Anyways, the bottom line is that the 4" HKS will be badass on a 240SX. I can only imagine how good it would sound
Peace out,
Originally Posted by 2wdBlazer
Why would you need anything larger than 3 inch? I don't find it practical for a STREET car. The damn turbo would never spool.
Even 2.5 inch should be good for around 300hp.
Even 2.5 inch should be good for around 300hp.Exhaust sizing on turbo cars and NA cars is very different. In theory, you want the largest exhaust possible on a turbo setup. Of course, you can reach a point of diminishing returns at where going larger makes no additional power.
Turbos make power mainly by way of a pressure differential, delta P, where pressure is high before the turbo and low after it. The lower you can make the pressure after the turbo, the more power you will produce and the better the turbo will spool up. Therefore, a larger exhaust will always produce more power and better spoolup of the turbo. The decrease in lag will also translate into more low end torque on a dyno run, as the turbo is creating boost earlier in the power band.
The biggest exhaust you can put on a car would be to theoretically remove it completely and run an open down pipe. I have never heard of anyone complaining from power losses from an open downpipe.
The theory of having too large an exhaust hurting low end torque only applies to NA cars. There is a misnomer that NA cars need a certain amount of backpressure to create low end torque. This is not correct. On an NA car, you want to use the largest possible exhaust that will also create the highest exhaust gas velocity. That means that you want an NA exhaust to flow as much as possible without sacrificing the velocity of the exhaust gases. Of course, when you go larger with the exhaust, the velocity decreases, which hurts bottom end power.
Anyways, the bottom line is that the 4" HKS will be badass on a 240SX. I can only imagine how good it would sound

Peace out,
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Originally posted by "Mattback"
man you can alwasy count on jay whiltely for the perfect in every apsect rainman responses
he doesnt leave anything out
man you can alwasy count on jay whiltely for the perfect in every apsect rainman responses
he doesnt leave anything out
Maybe, I should change my screen name, hmmm.
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I would love to see the Dyno numbers comparing a 3inch to a 4 inch on a car under 450 hp. I could bet my ass there would be no gain with a 4 inch. Too loud also. I know my 3 inch is too loud.
***Well, you have a point there. Under certain power levels, you will reach a point of diminishing returns with a larger exhaust. A turbo exhaust has to keep up with the flow capacity of the turbine. For example, a Silvia T25 cannot flow as much as a TO4E at the same pressure ratio. A 4" exhaust would create a larger increase in power with the TO4E as compared to the T25. This means that a 3" exhaust is plenty big enough for the T25. However, the 4" exhaust would not hurt low end performance in the least.
***Well, you have a point there. Under certain power levels, you will reach a point of diminishing returns with a larger exhaust. A turbo exhaust has to keep up with the flow capacity of the turbine. For example, a Silvia T25 cannot flow as much as a TO4E at the same pressure ratio. A 4" exhaust would create a larger increase in power with the TO4E as compared to the T25. This means that a 3" exhaust is plenty big enough for the T25. However, the 4" exhaust would not hurt low end performance in the least.
hey jay
P trim .83 a/r turbine 3 inch vs 4 inch
i bet you 4 inch will make more area under the curve
what you think?
hey jay when we all going to dennys again?
P trim .83 a/r turbine 3 inch vs 4 inch
i bet you 4 inch will make more area under the curve
what you think?
hey jay when we all going to dennys again?
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sabri ill buy the $1350 hks racing exhaust but then ill not be able to use it til i save up ALL that money to get my turbo stuff lol!!! but i might do it if i use a t3/t04b on the f-max manifold. it would sound good as hell i bet but i wouldnt run it on my n/a setup now cuz hot damn that would be loud as a mother focker. but id run it on the howard franklin just to see how many people i can pisso ff with the noise.
i think hks racing exhaust + s-afc +test pipe = alot of potential for flames!!!
i think hks racing exhaust + s-afc +test pipe = alot of potential for flames!!!
we have a dyno tests. I will post them when I get back from Cali. 3in dp and N1 exhaust (90mm) vs 4in dp and hks ti on a t88h. 65rwhp difference. And about 700 rpm faster spoolup on a 95 supra. (FYI: the t88h has a 4in turbine discharge) The HKS sounds badass btw, very loud though. Sort of like a straight exhaust with a huge resonator.
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Originally posted by "Mattback"
hey jay
P trim .83 a/r turbine 3 inch vs 4 inch
i bet you 4 inch will make more area under the curve
what you think?
hey jay when we all going to dennys again?
hey jay
P trim .83 a/r turbine 3 inch vs 4 inch
i bet you 4 inch will make more area under the curve
what you think?
hey jay when we all going to dennys again?
I can't wait to hear Garrett's Apexi GT Spec...soon, baby, soon!
The intercooler piping is almost done and I am 99% sure I have figured out to get the A/C to work correctly.
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