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Old Oct 6, 2008 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Hellaslow
let me ask you a question burgy? Think this is cool also?
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Old Oct 6, 2008 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by burgy240
Staggered is made FOR the track, but the problem is the average street car hasn't been balanced and calculated for the correct stagger etc etc. I don't like BIG wheels at all either. They should fit the power and application. I like fitment and stance as well, but that is cosmetic. Smaller is still gay unless your building a drag car or something I guess...and then it would only be the front you would want small.
That is depending on the car, if its a mid or rear engine car then yes stagger is most benificial since all the weight is over the rear of the car and you dont need huge front tires since the front of the car is not pulled out of line as easily since there is practly no weight.

FWD/ FR / AWD race cars almost never run a staggared set ups. It creates alot understeer; the weight of the engine no matter how balanced the car is will try to pull the car out of line through a corner. Unless you have the front really stiff and the rear suspension really soft, which in turn creates alot of over steer. Neither are benificial to a race car when in excess. I had to fight this understeer when I was up in the mountains. My car was pushing hard through corners. I had to soften up the rear suspension quite a bit to get the car to rotate at all in a corner.
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Old Oct 6, 2008 | 05:57 PM
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^ Yes, but since 240s are RWD I didn't even consider the FWD portion of the arguement. But even as you stated, you losened up the rear suspension and the car changed its behavior. If you have a RWD car and run staggered set up but still don't like turn and response, then most of the time it will have to do with various settings within the suspension rather than the actual fact you have a staggered set up. If you are really looking to optimize handling on a RWD car you run staggered and then also dial in the suspension etc. This is obviously more work and money than the average person spedns on their street car however.
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Old Oct 6, 2008 | 06:39 PM
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I think my question was what offset/back spacing would I need... Not would they look cool or not...
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Old Oct 6, 2008 | 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by burgy240
^ Yes, but since 240s are RWD I didn't even consider the FWD portion of the arguement. But even as you stated, you losened up the rear suspension and the car changed its behavior. If you have a RWD car and run staggered set up but still don't like turn and response, then most of the time it will have to do with various settings within the suspension rather than the actual fact you have a staggered set up. If you are really looking to optimize handling on a RWD car you run staggered and then also dial in the suspension etc. This is obviously more work and money than the average person spedns on their street car however.
Im saying from personal experience I dont like it. I loosened it up and the back of the car kept trying to slide out on me on some of the turns or I was fighting to keep the inside wheel from coming off the ground. My ideal set up for spirited driving would be 255's at all 4 corners. My 8"/10" split sucks because I should run a 235 front 275 rear and thats similar to a 911 tire set up which is completly wrong for my car. Although Im currently running 255's out back which are a slight stretch.

The problem especially on a street car, Stagger creates an excess of one or the other(under/oversteer) and its hard to make it work well unless you have alot of time on your hands and an alignment rack of your own so you can dial everything in properly. And the more balanced the car the more you want to run even sized wheels/tires. If a car is balanced corner balanced properly then stagger isnt needed usually because you want all 4 wheels to have as similar amount of grip as possible.

From what I've read on a nissan forum that is mostly auto-x/road race guys they dont run stagger at all if they can avoid it.

Also it kinda depends on the tire sizes you are running and the tires themselves. I think 255's all the way around is the best bet for a 240 with average power and suspension set up.

And too the orignial topic, measure the amount of clearence you have with a set of 15's. the stock front brakes are tiny but im not sure they are that tiny. Offset and inner wheel design will be the major factors in if it fits. Im guessing 14's wont but if they do it will be very very tight.
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Old Oct 6, 2008 | 07:38 PM
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Plus with 14's if you want to go low and look some what good your going to need to lay your frame on the ground and daily driving will be a big ole bitch....i say this because 15's were a big ole bitch.....hitting everywhere......stuck on speed bumps......i mean it gets pretty ridick thats why i say 16's. But its going to look like your trying to make a s13 look like a old skool skyline or japanese nostalgic car with that small and wide of wheel But hey you have your mind set.....i wanna see when its done.
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Old Oct 6, 2008 | 07:38 PM
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never had a rwd car as my dd but i do kno you loose alot of tq from bigger tires,and 18's sounds a lil big for sliding...had to post something all the 240 drivers gave me so much shit about postin 14's in a nissan thread
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Old Oct 6, 2008 | 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Maestro
Plus with 14's if you want to go low and look some what good your going to need to lay your frame on the ground and daily driving will be a big ole bitch....i say this because 15's were a big ole bitch.....hitting everywhere......stuck on speed bumps......i mean it gets pretty ridick thats why i say 16's. But its going to look like your trying to make a s13 look like a old skool skyline or japanese nostalgic car with that small and wide of wheel But hey you have your mind set.....i wanna see when its done.


Right now on 15's is low but i've never had a car that has been stock height. I don't mind sitting low and avoiding speed bumps sence i've done it for 13yrs. I've had cars with 13in wheels up 20in wheels sometimes I like to be outside the box. I guess I need to find someone with 14's so I can test fit for clearence.
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Old Oct 8, 2008 | 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by burgy240
^ Yes, but since 240s are RWD I didn't even consider the FWD portion of the arguement. But even as you stated, you losened up the rear suspension and the car changed its behavior. If you have a RWD car and run staggered set up but still don't like turn and response, then most of the time it will have to do with various settings within the suspension rather than the actual fact you have a staggered set up. If you are really looking to optimize handling on a RWD car you run staggered and then also dial in the suspension etc. This is obviously more work and money than the average person spedns on their street car however.

not really trying to be a jerk, but i dont think your s14 ever saw a racetrack, so i dont think you really are an expert on this topic.
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Old Oct 8, 2008 | 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by longfellow2
Im saying from personal experience I dont like it.

The problem especially on a street car, Stagger creates an excess of one or the other(under/oversteer)



its hard to make it work well unless you have alot of time on your hands and an alignment rack of your own so you can dial everything in properly.

that's funny.

dave coleman tried like hell to keep the same size tires azenis on project silvia , and guess what happen?

SOMEONE SET HIM UP THE DRIFT!~!!~!~1`1



i could go on a huge rant about how with the right calculations this that the other bla bla bla bla i can PROVE to you that a staggered wider tire in the rear of a RWD car is almost always better

but here i'l just say it the asshole way


learn how to fucking drive.
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