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Old Jul 13, 2007 | 09:20 PM
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it wont come into effect until the year 2012, and by that time my care will be considered a classic so shittttttttt i aint worried lmao hurray for classic eclipses lol
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Old Jul 14, 2007 | 05:42 AM
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Thought this only pertains to cars in production from 2009+
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Old Jul 14, 2007 | 05:44 AM
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So who did vote for Crist? Poor decision... this guy is brain washed into the "saving the world/energy" movement.
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Old Jul 14, 2007 | 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by WhiteFwdsm
Thought this only pertains to cars in production from 2009+
I believe this is correct. The orders, while referencing Title 13 of the California Code of Regulations, are actually specifically referring to California's plan to require automakers to reduce emissions on vehicles starting with the 2009 models. This has no effect on older models.
Now, whether this necessitates annual emissions testing is contingent on whether Florida seeks to regulate these new vehicles for the duration of their use. If this is this case, and to remain in accordance with the spirit of the new plan, it is likely that cars predating '09 will also be tested. I imagine classic cars will be exempt, as they are in California.
However, from what I've read (the three executive orders, Title 13 of the CCR, and myriad articles on the topic), it seems as if Florida has no interest in implementing California's vehicle emissions standards whole hog. So, I don't think we'll have to bother with annual tests. But, I may have missed something, or there may not be enough information available.
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Old Jul 14, 2007 | 07:20 PM
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there is no way residents here in florida will pay for emissions testing.

in connecticut (where taxes are higher and residents are more liberal) emissions testing stations were too expensive to maintain and were eventually shut down.

this is just politics as usual...and i wouldn't worry about our cars just yet.
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Old Jul 16, 2007 | 09:54 AM
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Try Minnesota, they came to the same conclusion as Florida...a nuisance.
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Old Jul 16, 2007 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by chet
there is no way residents here in florida will pay for emissions testing.
That is what people in NY said too. And they pay 50 a year to have their's done.

You either pay it or don't drive. bc they will just give you a ticket that costs more than the inspections do.
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Old Jul 16, 2007 | 02:12 PM
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People are actually worried over this. I guess it takes skills just to read an article thoroughly.

Under the California emissions standards, automakers that sell cars in Florida beginning with the 2009 model year would have to reduce greenhouse gas pollutants, such as carbon dioxide, by 25 percent for cars and 18 percent for sport utility vehicles.
No where does it state that Florida will be doing emissions testing or stations being built or none of that nonsense. If that were the case it will be years upon years before anything actually takes place.

I wouldn't stress it. It won't be a night to day thing that will occur instantly. As of right now it's just talking about 2009+ vehicles that automakers need to follow California emissions standards. This means higher taxes. Florida is just trying to turn into California and the difference between California and us here is the education sucks and so does the wages.
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Old Jul 16, 2007 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by cyloc
That is what people in NY said too. And they pay 50 a year to have their's done.

You either pay it or don't drive. bc they will just give you a ticket that costs more than the inspections do.
I only see retired old people and higher class paying for emissions testing. Take 50 and times it by 12. There's a lot of people right now that don't even have $50 in their bank account. There's a lot of grown married adults w/children (were talking 35+ yrs old) working 2 jobs (not 2 jobs together... 2 each) just so they can afford rent and what not. Because now apartments are turning into Condo's. You get enough people living like that you will see the production industry yet alone jobs go in an decline because now someone can't drive their car to work because they didn't have $50 just that month to drive to work. Not everyone has money. Look at everyone bitching now about gas prices a month imagine having to toss another $50 to your car for emissions testing. Florida economy will fall flat on its face because the government here doesn't care about it's people. All those ads and what not that they will do this and that... yeah okay what has Crist done? Opposite then what he said.

I lived in New York... Brooklyn, Queens, Long Island. They have the poor like we do but their wages are affordable living. Big difference between New York and Florida. New York and California are high pace states. Florida is just for tourism.
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Old Jul 16, 2007 | 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by WhiteFwdsm
People are actually worried over this. I guess it takes skills just to read an article thoroughly.

Under the California emissions standards, automakers that sell cars in Florida beginning with the 2009 model year would have to reduce greenhouse gas pollutants, such as carbon dioxide, by 25 percent for cars and 18 percent for sport utility vehicles.
No where does it state that Florida will be doing emissions testing or stations being built or none of that nonsense. If that were the case it will be years upon years before anything actually takes place.
That's kind of harsh, eh? You've actually quoted a news article about the exective orders, and the news article may be mistaken, misleading, or understating the implications. They may simply not know enough. The exective order is ambiguous and written in broad terms. It's unclear whether Florida seeks to implement all of California's emission standards (note that the order references Title 13, which is essentially every California regulation of automobiles), or specifically those still under debate from a 2005 plan. I'm under the impression it's the latter, but I have seen nothing that officially substantiates my belief. In other words, I think you're correct, but I can understand why others would be worried that you're not.
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