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Important information for new Mazdaspeed Protege Owners.

Old Apr 9, 2004 | 10:09 AM
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Default Important information for new Mazdaspeed Protege Owners.

Source: http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50549

HUGE thanks to the members here who I have obtained this information from.


Also, Thanks to TheMAN and his Protege FAQ for the Technical Service Bulletins.

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ATTENTION: THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION IS NOT OFFICIAL IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM. IT IS MERELY A COLLECTION OF COMMON PROBLEMS EXPERIENCED BY THE MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD. YOUR DEALERSHIP HAS THE MOST ACCURATE AND UP-TO-DATE INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR CAR AND IS MORE THAN LIKELY CORRECT IF THEY ARE GOING AGAINST SOMETHING WRITTEN IN THIS THREAD. DO NOT GIVE YOUR DEALERSHIP A HARD TIME IF THEY ARE REFUSING SOMETHING JUST BECAUSE YOU SAW IT HERE OR AT ANOTHER FORUM. TAKE THE ADVICE BELOW WITH A GRAIN OF SALT AND USE YOUR OWN JUDGEMENT AND THAT OF YOUR DEALERSHIP'S SERVICE ADVISORS' WHEN IT COMES TO YOUR VEHICLE'S SPECIFIC NEEDS OR PROBLEMS.
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Engine

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Issue: Hesitation.
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What: A few of the members here like to occasionally "smash gas" from time to time. If you've ever done that and noticed that while at full throttle the car seems to bog down like it won't go any faster, then you've just experienced hesitation.

Why: Basically, what happens is that when you hit wide open throttle, the ECU switches to an open loop and dumps a HUGE amount of fuel in the mix. The car basically becomes overly rich and "floods" itself. As another member stated: "It is hard to notice an engine that is running lean to a certain point, mostly because it feels very powerful for the most part. Rich mixtures cause the poor drivability and hesitation. When the ECU switches modes it is going from lean to rich basically, which will make that hesitating feel..."

How To Fix: If the hesitation bothers you to the point where you want to drive your MSP off of a cliff, stop by your dealership before you do so. Mazda has released a flash which "cures" this condition. A flash is just a reprogramming of the car's computer and is available for FREE at Mazda dealerships. What it does is advance the timing to a point where the car leans out a bit more and gets rid of the too overly rich condition. Keep in mind that if you plan on adding a boost controller to your car, advanced timing is a bad thing and could lead to knock or detonation. Please think about your future plans before proceeding with the flash. It is *NOT* reversible unless you find another unflashed Mazdaspeed owner who is willing to trade ECU's with you. That is very hard to do, however. Mazda's official Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) is shown directly below:

TSB:
Code:
MAZDASPEED PROTEGE - HESITATION UNDER ACCELERATION
Applicable Models
Model Starting S/N Ending S/N
2003 PROTEGE 00000000 ZZZZZZZZ

Symptoms and Conditions
Hesitation and/or intermittent stumble under acceleration. All Mazdaspeed
Protege PCM's should be reprogramed using the following procedure.

Repair Procedure
1. Verify customer concern.
2. Using WDS B27.4 or later software, reprogram the PCM to the latest
calibration (refer to "Calibration Information" table) by following the
"Module Reprogramming" procedure.

NOTE:
* Always update the WDS PTU first, then install the needed calibration
file that the WDS shows during PCM reprogramming. Go to "WDS
Calibration" on ESI and download the "update" file. If the PTU is not
updated to the latest WDS calibration level, the calibration file will not
install into the PTU.
* It is not necessary to remove any fuses or relays during PCM
reprogramming when the WDS screen prompts you to do so. You may
accidentally stop power to one of the PCM terminals and cause the PCM to
be blanked, or you may receive error messages during the WDS
reprogramming procedure.
* WDS shows the calibration part numbers after programming the PCM.
* Please be aware that PCM calibration part numbers and file names listed
in any RI/Service Bulletin may change due to future releases of WDS
software, and additional revisions made to those calibrations for service
related concerns.
* When reprogramming a PCM, WDS will always display the "latest"
calibration P/N available for that vehicle. If any calibration has been
revised/updated to contain new information for a new service
concern/issue, it will also contain all previously released calibrations.
* When performing this procedure, if the WDS PTU is not docked and
connected to 115V-120V, we recommend that a battery charger be
installed on the vehicle battery and turned ON to a maximum charge of
no more than 20 AMPS to keep the vehicle battery up to capacity. If
you exceed 20 AMPS, it will damage the WDS PTU.
5. Place an "Authorized Modification" label (P/N 9999-95-AMDC-97) with the
new calibration information near the Emission Control Information label
located on the hood or in the engine compartment.
4. Verify repair.

NOTE: After reprogramming a PCM, it is necessary to road test the vehicle
to relearn KAM (Keep Alive Memory) strategy and verify no MIL
illumination or DTC's are present.

CALIBRATION INFORMATION
NEW PCM CAL. P/N FILENAME
3ALU-12A650-MC QOAP4C0

Copyright © Mazda North American OperationsThere's a list of more ECU information, including a list of notified dealerships, that may be found here.



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Issue: Coolant Leaks.
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What: Checking under the hood, you may see a white residue on some of the stock piping or down on the brush guard under the car. If you do see this, that's coolant and it's leaking from somewhere. Check out the pipes and see if you can find the leak.

Why: Because Mazda loves us.

How To Fix: Return to dealer and show them where the leak appears to be. This will be covered under warranty in most conditions.

TSB: Not available.



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Issue: Broken Intercooler Pipe.
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What: If your car sparatically idles or dies after boosting, you may have broken the intercooler to BPV pipe joint.

Why: Mazda used plastic piping for whatever reason it was but in the process, they decided it would be okay to glue the joints together instead of mold them. The stress of boost may cause the joints to break causing a massive vaccuum leak.

How To Fix: Return to dealer. Unless you've blatantly abused the car, most will fix without asking questions.

TSB: Not available.



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Issue: Airbox Duct Falls Off.
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What: Notice anything missing when it comes to your airbox? That small "L" shaped elbow may have come off during driving.

Why: That elbow is not attached to the airbox in any way and several members have reported losing it.

How To Fix: Duct tape, baybee!@# Actually, your dealership cannot do much about this one. They may replace it if you lose it but it's just going to fall off again unless it's secured.

TSB: Not available.



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Issue: Exhaust Comes Apart.
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What: While driving or idling, if your exhaust tone gets a bit louder or if it starts resonating in the cabin, your exhaust may be coming apart.

Why: As this has happened to just a few members, we really don't know for sure. This could be a combination of extreme heat and bad welding or just bad research and design.

How To Fix: If this happens, first check between at the weld between the primary and secondary cat to see if you exhaust did, infact, fall apart. This most likely will leave you stranded but should be covered under warranty.



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Issue: Brittle Hoses.
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What:
There seems to be an issue with the wastegate/bypass valve hoses on some MSPs where they are very dry and brittle and may crack causing a vaccuum leak.

Why: Mazda used fuel hose for the majority of the tubing which means it's very brittle. Add this plus the underhood temps and you'll understand why they may crack.

How To Fix: Return to dealership and have them replaced with bulk silicone type hose.
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Default Mazdaspeed protege Aftermarket Part's Guide

Source: http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31763

MAZDASPEED AFTERMARKET
This is an attempt to bring information about the available aftermarket parts for the Mazdaspeed Protege together in one place. Items specific to our model of car (cold air intake, turbo-back exhaust, etc.) will have links to their respective web page. Generic items (boost controllers, turbo timers, etc.) may or may not; please do your own research when purchasing these products, as they are available from many different retailers. This list will be updated as new parts become available. If you know of an item that is not listed, send me a PM with the info. I'll add the part and give you credit for the find. Vendors will not be listed in the "Other Contributors" section.

DISCLAIMER: All information presented here is expressed with absolutely no guarantees on price, performance, or safety. Use this information at your own risk to help you in your research for MSP modifications. I do not accept any responsibility for your actions or the results of such actions.


WARRANTY INFORMATION
Visit www.enjoythedrive.com/content/?id=8123 and www.enjoythedrive.com/content/?id=8124 for information about warranty issues. Basically, your warranty cannot be voided simply for having aftermarket parts. It has to be proven that the specific part caused the damages.


TURBO TIMERS
In a turbocharged car, after a long or hard drive, you're supposed to let the engine idle for a while before turning off the car. This will prevent damage to the turbocharger by letting it cool properly. The Mazdaspeed manual recommends you idle for 30 seconds. A Turbo Timer will keep your engine running for the proper time after you remove the key from the ignition. There is a theft protection feature built in to most turbo timers, so you don't have to worry about getting your ride stolen.

The Blitz Dual TT combines a turbo timer and boost gauge in one unit. The boost gauge reads in bars, not psi. All the other brands (HKS, Apexi, etc.) are very similar, and you should research them to pick the best one for you.


GAUGES AND PODS
You need a boost gauge before you get a boost controller! The Autometer ProComp Ultra-Lite series matches the stock gauges pretty well (day and night), and are very reasonably priced. MSP owners have also been seen with Defi and GReddy gauges, which are more expensive, but more accurate, than the Autometers.

Even though the gauge pods listed below are for 52mm gauges, people have had success using a Dremel or similar tool to cut out a hole for 60mm gauges. Paint for the pillar pods (very close match to stock) is available at: http://vinylpro.safeshopper.com/29/254.htm?893

Full A-Pillar Pod (two 2"/52mm gauge openings): www.jegs.com (Part # 105-22656), $56.99
Full A-Pillar Pod (three 2"/52mm gauge openings): www.jegs.com (Part # 105-22657), $58.99
Steering Wheel Pod (one 2"/52mm gauge opening): www.protege5online.com, $75.00


BOOST CONTROLLERS
The MSP runs at ~6.5 psi, but has been shown to vary greatly from car to car. A Boost Controller allows you to increase the boost level, thus increasing your performance. There are two main categories: MBC's (Manual boost controller) and EBC's (Electronic boost controller). MBC's are much cheaper, but require you to go under the hood to change your boost setting. Also, getting the boost where you want to takes some tuning (mainly running through 3rd gear, watching the boost gauge carefully). EBC's allow you to change the boost level more easily, and from inside your car. Some even have multiple settings, so you could have one setting for day-to-day driving, and another one with higher boost for the track.

What boost should you run? What has been accepted by most members of the board as 'safe' for daily driving? These are questions that you need to research yourself. Upping the boost too much, or without other mods (like colder spark plugs) will cause irreversable damage to your motor. To start out, try 9psi; this is for both flashed and unflashed ECU's. There is an airflow based fuel/spark cut (when the MAF gets maxed out), and members boosting over 9psi (or over 8psi in cold weather) are hitting it. A Fuel Cut Defenser gets around this limitation.

JoeP XZ MBC: This is the MBC that most members have. It's made by a guy named Joe Pampena (his member name here is kwiktsi), costs $45, and is easy to install/uninstall. An optional electronic controller gives you in-cabin control over boost. Available from www.joepmbc.com.
Turbo XS MBC: Similar to the JoeP. $79
Turbo XS High Performance MBC: Claims to make your turbo spool quicker. $129
Turbo XS Dual Stage MBC: Allows in-cabin switching between two boost levels (normally only found on EBC's). $239
JoeP FCD (Fuel Cut Defenser): Fully adjustable for your needs, if you're boosting over 9 psi you're going to need it, especially in the winter. $60.00 from www.joepmbc.com.

EBC's are similar to the Turbo Timers, where each brand has different features that you need to research yourself. They all do the same thing. The Greddy Profec B seems to
be one of the most popular models, and it's pretty reasonably priced at around $330.


FUEL SYSTEM
The MSP runs insanely rich. Take a look at a dyno chart with an air/fuel mixture graph, or even easier, look at the carbon deposits on your exhaust tip. This overly rich fuel mixture is the main cause of the 'hesitation' that MSP owners have complained about. The ECU flash advances the timing to overcome this, but the fuel mixture is still too rich.


JoeP FPR (Fuel Pressure Reducer): Has eliminated or reduced the hesitation problem for many members. Mainly for unflashed MSP owners, but people have used it on flashed ECU's with no problems so far. $25.00


SPARK PLUGS
Stock MSP spark plugs are platinum NGK PZFR6F's. Colder, copper spark plugs would be a wise investment if you're upping the boost in your MSP. Detonation (Pre-ignition, where the air/fuel mix in the cylinder burns before being lit by the spark plug) WILL cause damage to the motor. Why copper? Platinum plugs have a sharp tip and don't conduct enough heat away to prevent detonation at boost levels higher than stock. A copper spark plug has a wider tip that conducts heat much better, and may prevent you from messing up your motor. The factory spark plug gap is 0.028" - 0.032".

Copper NGK BKR7E's (#6097) are cheap (around $2 each) and work well for our car. They are one heat range colder, and are bare copper plugs. You can have your local auto parts store (Pep Boys, Autozone, etc.) special order them for you, or get them from http://sparkplugs.com/more_info.asp?AAIA=&pid=3040 or http://store.summitracing.com/defau...ighlight=NGK+11


ENGINE PARTS

Urethane engine mounts: Greatly reduces wheel hop, and driveline thrash when shifting. Be warned that the car will vibrate a LOT with both front and rear mounts replaced. Some people have replaced the front mount only, and have found it's a good trade-off. http://www.protege5online.com/For_S...ge/AWR/awr.html $127.00


TRANSMISSION/CLUTCH PARTS

Kartboy Shifter Bushings: Reduces play in the shifter. http://www.kartboy.com/powertrain.html $25.00
GM Syncromesh Manual Transmission Fluid: It's a much better fluid than what's in the MSP tranny. It'll make shifting easier, and less notchy. Available at your local GM dealer. Some people say the Pennzoil Syncromesh is the same stuff, and it's available at most auto parts stores.
ACT Clutch: A higher-performance clutch than what's stock, and it'll handle more power. Get the street disc, not the 4-puck or 6-puck, unless all you do is race your MSP. Available from www.propartsusa.com with a special price of $312 plus $25 shipping for members of the forum.
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