Considering buying a 94-98 (what I could get for less than 8K) 4 door Integra. I am curious what the differences are between the models. I beleive that all 3 have the PW PL and moonroof that I want. I think the GS adds leather alloys and the sportier suspension and I think the GS-R just adds VTEC. Is there any other differences? The LS is the cheapest and most plentyful how much would it cost to have it converted (including labor and parts) to VTEC and how much to upgrade the suspension? let me know if anyones got any recommendations.

 

GS doesnt have sportier suspension. Step up to the GSR and you get the bigger swaybars towerbar and possibly(?) stiffer springs/struts. As far as i know all the lower models (LSGSRS) share the same suspension pieces and the GSR is slightly beefier with the ITR at the top.

You could buy an LS/GS slap a DOHC VTEC head on it and do some suspension mods and basically have a GSR or just buy a GSR for a little more and save yourself the trouble.

 

No b16aracer wrong again please stay away from tech chat vwbidder to answer your question there are many more important differences. Beginning with the weights of the vehicles 94 LS/gs=2643lbs
GSR(the heaviest=most equipped)=2667lbs
RS(the lightest=least equipped)=2529lbs
in 1998 they reduced the weights a little across the board to get:
GS=2636lbs
LS=2640lbs
GSR=2665lbs
RS=2526lbs

With that in mind it is due to the rear discsleather and rear swaybar.

But with even the GS(with leather) it is light comparatively but if you do throw a vtec head on it it IS NOT A GSR. The ls/vtec will out perform ANY GSR comparably equipped everytime type r as well. I have built over 12 ls/vtecs in the last year they are my specialty. There are many reasons that they will outperform a stock gsr one being the stroke of the ls also the flow is better on a b16/18c5 head than the gsr I believe it equates to 5 or 6 percent better yes the gsr will create higher static compression but the b16/18c5 flows more volume. Now the gearing will be a little closer on the gsr but not much and with a b16/18c5 tranny you will be geared much closer than the gsr. If you per say went and did an lsvtec on a gs with leather and added a type r swaybar and rear disc conversion you would rape the gsr for a lot less cash. If you do get the gs let me know if you want an lsvtec. The dyno results do not lie lsvtec is superior in every way but long term reliability is an issue if not built correctly within the strict tolerances. Expect to pay:
head=3-400
headgasket=65-120 depending on choice
ecu=1-200
vtec oil and water pumps and timing belt
ss line kit=30-40
Plug/tap head
nice hone on cylinders

and for a little more power/reliability:
b16 pistons(or other) high comp head gasket rings main & rod bearings main seals shotpeen/machine rods to fit new pistons polish crank.

In short it depends on who builds it and how reliable you want it to be for the amount you spend as little as a grand as much as 3 grand for a killer......feel free to pm me if you have any other questions.....its all power to weight ratio. The lsvtec will create hella torque where the gsr is lacking and higher hp with same or even less weight its easy to see the differences after you have done a few and seen the dyno results.....

 

4 door Integras own. If its an LS/GS....get it....put a VTEC head on it...boost it and youre set!!!

 

lettsrollagain. Are you part of lht performance i was talking to them about an ls vtec conversion how much alltogether i have the money now and a b18b1 enigine with 32K miles port polish headers cams valves tbodyect...
941 741 8776 thanks alot

 

Ok every on agrees that the LS/VTEC is better than the GSR motor but what about total price? With a GSR I get good power better handleing and braking than the LS and I get nice looking factory alloys that I will probably keep. LS 4 doors are running about 2K less than GSRs. Can an LS be made to perform as well or out perform a GSR for about $1500 (leaves 500 for nice used wheels) including the labor on the engine? I can do the most the suspension work myself. I am just trying to get the best bang for the buck. I am not looking to drag race (maybe stoplight to stoplight) I just want a quick fun car to drive.

 

not really. the point i was tryin to make is that for the price difference between the two models ($2000 or so) you would be better off just buyin the gsr IMO because you will spend at least as much making the LS perform as well and not have as mush reliability.

B16A head - 450+
Intake/Ex. manifolds - 300+
Machining - 100+
Wiring / Lines / ETc - $$$
GSR or B16 tranny - LSs suck for n/a use - $650+
Features not found on LS - Some suspension pieces wheels etc. -$$$

All in all you may add up to a car thats faster in one respect but not as reliable or with as much resale value than simply starting w/ the GSR and going from there. If you just want a nice car to cruise around in and still have it decently fast I would go with the GSR.

 

I have been leaning toward the GSR especially because of resale value. A stock or lightly modified (simple boltons) GSR will hold its value and probably be all I need. An upgraded LS will cost the same or more (may be a little faster though) but will probably be worth less than a stock LS just because it has been so heavily modified. I change cars nearly as often as I change my underwear and resale value is a big deal to me I dont want to be upside down in the next car I get because it makes it that much harder to change cars again in 4 months. If Honda would just make a 4 door Si or RSX I would be all over that shit!

 

LS runs regular gas......GS-R you gotta put premium in.....dunno if youre a stingy fokker like me.....thats why I like my LS.

 

If hes gonna do LSVTEC hell need premium anyway.