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Old May 23, 2008 | 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by zhillz
i might try this on a beater they say it can be done for $100. is there chances of rusting the cylinder walls?
thats what I was worried about... especially with an Rx7, there would be so much surface area that would rust up.... but the over night rust would just be surface rust, so after the first few times around, it should all be cleaned away....
I guess it would just make oil changes that much more important...

I'm gonna look into this and see what all of the pros and cons and possibities are for it.
It would be cool to think we could do this to an Rx7 and build the motor up some to make some decent power. They say the hydrogen conversion makes more power in itself... might make for a fun ride if it comes together nicely, ya know.. .
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Old May 24, 2008 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by norachelhere
thats what I was worried about... especially with an Rx7, there would be so much surface area that would rust up.... but the over night rust would just be surface rust, so after the first few times around, it should all be cleaned away....
I guess it would just make oil changes that much more important...

I'm gonna look into this and see what all of the pros and cons and possibities are for it.
It would be cool to think we could do this to an Rx7 and build the motor up some to make some decent power. They say the hydrogen conversion makes more power in itself... might make for a fun ride if it comes together nicely, ya know.. .
they say the keep the compression ratio lower than 9.5:1
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Old May 24, 2008 | 02:38 PM
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why are you worried about power, this is a gas saving mod. If you want power dont do a hydrogen mod and do a nitrous mod lol.
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Old May 24, 2008 | 11:38 PM
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It theoretically works by breaking down water molecules by a process called electrolysis. The water passes through a series of energized plates or electrodes (cathode and anode) that electrically separate the water molecule, 1 part hydroxide 1 part oxygen. The required amount of energy to make this happen cannot be generated from a 12 volt system. The power can be amplified, but still will fall short of optimal molecular separation. The electricity needed to obtain a state of electrolysis also generates a large amount of heat energy. It would need it's own cooling device to keep itself from burning up.
Most likely, you would end up injecting mostly water into the intake. If you tune lean and mist with straight water, you would see a difference in fuel economy and not suffer the effects of detonation from a lean condition in the combustion chamber. Makes you wonder just how much gas you could save doing this. You can make a water misting system for a few hundred bucks or less.

*EDIT: and Yes, if it worked at all it would work on any internal combustion engine, including the good ole Wankel. N2O works on the rotary, why wouldn't hydrogen? The real question is, how do you consistently generate enough hydrogen to make it worth your time?
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why cant we have nucular car
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Old May 25, 2008 | 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by NISSAN
why cant we have nucular car

that i would drive, think it be fast? it better fly to!
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Old May 25, 2008 | 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Mac
It theoretically works by breaking down water molecules by a process called electrolysis. The water passes through a series of energized plates or electrodes (cathode and anode) that electrically separate the water molecule, 1 part hydroxide 1 part oxygen. The required amount of energy to make this happen cannot be generated from a 12 volt system. The power can be amplified, but still will fall short of optimal molecular separation. The electricity needed to obtain a state of electrolysis also generates a large amount of heat energy. It would need it's own cooling device to keep itself from burning up.
Most likely, you would end up injecting mostly water into the intake. If you tune lean and mist with straight water, you would see a difference in fuel economy and not suffer the effects of detonation from a lean condition in the combustion chamber. Makes you wonder just how much gas you could save doing this. You can make a water misting system for a few hundred bucks or less.

*EDIT: and Yes, if it worked at all it would work on any internal combustion engine, including the good ole Wankel. N2O works on the rotary, why wouldn't hydrogen? The real question is, how do you consistently generate enough hydrogen to make it worth your time?
It sounds to me you are trying to run off straight water. That would take A LOT of energy.


What this system does is get the hydrogen in a supersaturated form a (hybrib) which soaks up the hydrogen molecules and makes it really dense but NON combustable until the hydrogen is in it's own form.
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Old Jun 30, 2008 | 01:08 PM
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Breaking news on the car.


June 19th, 2008:


We are in the process of moving all operations to Laingsburg, Michigan. Once relocated there, the first order of business will be to get employees hired and our retail Scientific Sales division up & running.
The reason we're doing this first is because our Scientific Sales division is what finances the Hydrogen Fuel System Research & Development.
Our scientific equipment sales office will be located on Grand River St. in the middle of downtown Laingsburg.
Once this is out of the way, we will secure our lease on the building for our Hydrogen Fuel Systems division. At the same time we'll be hiring local employees by tapping into the gigantic pool of talented people that were laid off from the automotive industry in Michigan. These folks, already familiar with the auto industry, will be a big help in getting things up to speed and into production as quickly as possible.
Those who have been following our progress are aware of the road blocks we ran into on both a Federal and State level attempting to make our system available.
With the state of Michigan behind us, hopefully we can avoid any future problems and move ahead at maximum speed.
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Old Jul 1, 2008 | 05:38 PM
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Good idea but like a few guys said above it doesnt sit right, it can be done and if I understand correctly Honda recently have done so Honda FCX Clarity - Hydrogen Fuel Cell Vehicle - Official Web Site hope it booms off fast because gas is insane and we are forced to pay whatever they make it to, gas is overrated and crap!!!!!
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Old Jul 1, 2008 | 08:33 PM
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My buddy built a hydrogen generator with stuff sourced from home depot for his cavelier he drives 100 miles a day. Here are his first impressions:

I ran a good 20 mile test on Saturday night. The heat melted the PVC on the positive terminal side after running for 45 minutes straight.

I was able to get far more power out of the car in the lower gears, it completely removed the smell of gasoline from the exhaust, I smelled it directly with the device on and off for comparison, when I put my hand in front of the exhaust it was wet with water.

Due to the heating issue I have to replace the PVC top and lower the voltage/amperage or get a more heat resistant container. The water was hot but not to the point of boiling.

Also, I need to find a different electrolyte because it de-molecularized and fused to my plates.
Still a few issues but, it's totally awesome for a bunch of home depot parts thrown together.

I'm REALLY surprised everyone isn't jumping on this. I think with PWM and common sense this could be a viable solution to our enrgy crisis. Think outside of the box people!

I'm doing mine soon.
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