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Originally Posted by FELBER632
You have valid points. But I think you are pretty set in your direction, and what you want to hear/say. "Al's heads were ONLY 5-6% "off"" That IS a substancial difference. 20cfm in this day and age, combined with internet horseshit/popularity is the difference between being a budget head and a head that is considered "best of the best". Although you seem pretty intelligent, you haven't spent much time on a flowbench or with a die grinder in you hands.....5% is BIG! Once again..Granted the valves were changed, but there were no flow tests as a comparison on the same bench??? Considering that a head porter freshened/fixed the heads and flowed them after work was done amazes me that they weren't flowed before, especially considering the heads came from a reputable shop such as TEA. I will wajor that they WERE.
Please don't misunderstand. 5-6% is substancial. My point is that the reason the heads flowed less on Pete's bench than on TEA's (when they were originally done) is due to the change in valve and valve job not simply a difference in flow benches. I, nor TEA would ever backup flow numbers given a changed valve and or valve job. That would be like expecting waranty work on car after you've swapped engines! So, given that they still flowed reasonably well after such a drastic change to the original design is good!
I applaud your desicion to work on an exclusive basis......hand porting on a mass production scale is for the birds (and those w/ CNC machines!).
Now, about that beer..........
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Brandon,
I definitely know what you're saying. There really is no comparison from before and after. Changing the valves/angles will certainly change the head. But 99.9% of the time it will benefit at one end of the spectrum at the expense of the other end. If the numbers are consistent in percentage from beginning to end, then that would point to a calibration discrepancy. And like I said...I know none of the details, and have no stake other than the points I've tried to be clear on.....And yes...Hope to meet ya sometime....I like competition.....And BEER! LOL
Felber
I definitely know what you're saying. There really is no comparison from before and after. Changing the valves/angles will certainly change the head. But 99.9% of the time it will benefit at one end of the spectrum at the expense of the other end. If the numbers are consistent in percentage from beginning to end, then that would point to a calibration discrepancy. And like I said...I know none of the details, and have no stake other than the points I've tried to be clear on.....And yes...Hope to meet ya sometime....I like competition.....And BEER! LOL
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Wow....and I for sure had money this was gonna get ugly! Good save Al! 
And lots of good information came out of this thread another bonus!
Brandon: If you port and would port some iron heads could you PM me.
And lots of good information came out of this thread another bonus!
Brandon: If you port and would port some iron heads could you PM me.
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And hopefully to close this thread.......I'm glad it finished as it did. Sorry I wasn't predictable. I no longer bang heads with everyone over the internet over popular 411 that is so easily consumed by readers. Since certain family matters have opened my eyes to the fact that my technical prowess, and strong opinion are far overshadowed by what really matters. I sat back, restructured, and realised the proper focus. I spent the last 20 years competing/arguing with people that would otherwise be my friends in conflict over people that don't give two squirts of piss about either of us.........That may not make any sence to many.....But I bet it does to people like Brandon and anyone else in this biz that knows what's up. I'll keep perfecting my craft as best I can, and taking any wins that come our way, as well as make more friends while doing so..So take care...Don't sweat the petty things...Just pet the.....Oooops...Almost forgot....Where's my beer?
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Originally Posted by FELBER632
And hopefully to close this thread.......I'm glad it finished as it did. Sorry I wasn't predictable. I no longer bang heads with everyone over the internet over popular 411 that is so easily consumed by readers. Since certain family matters have opened my eyes to the fact that my technical prowess, and strong opinion are far overshadowed by what really matters. I sat back, restructured, and realised the proper focus. I spent the last 20 years competing/arguing with people that would otherwise be my friends in conflict over people that don't give two squirts of piss about either of us.........That may not make any sence to many.....But I bet it does to people like Brandon and anyone else in this biz that knows what's up. I'll keep perfecting my craft as best I can, and taking any wins that come our way, as well as make more friends while doing so..So take care...Don't sweat the petty things...Just pet the.....Oooops...Almost forgot....Where's my beer?
Felber
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Originally Posted by FELBER632
And hopefully to close this thread.......I'm glad it finished as it did. Sorry I wasn't predictable. I no longer bang heads with everyone over the internet over popular 411 that is so easily consumed by readers. Since certain family matters have opened my eyes to the fact that my technical prowess, and strong opinion are far overshadowed by what really matters. I sat back, restructured, and realised the proper focus. I spent the last 20 years competing/arguing with people that would otherwise be my friends in conflict over people that don't give two squirts of piss about either of us.........That may not make any sence to many.....But I bet it does to people like Brandon and anyone else in this biz that knows what's up. I'll keep perfecting my craft as best I can, and taking any wins that come our way, as well as make more friends while doing so..So take care...Don't sweat the petty things...Just pet the.....Oooops...Almost forgot....Where's my beer?
Felber
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Amen brother. Next time you're in town, give me call to redeem that beer!
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Eddie, I personally won't touch cast iron...too much time, too little money!
