WHo has the best AWD system?
i give props to Audi though, the originator of AWD cars, the quattro was a beast when it came out...
like someone else said, it all depends on the scenario, i dont think there is ONE overall awd system that pwns everyone else...
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it really should be broken down between electronically controlled and good old mechanical systems...it makes a huge difference...
electric would be the Prodrive P1 prototype car with fully active diffs. Production would be the late porsche system...yes, better than the attessa system.
straight mechanical I would say subaru jdm 6-spd *(because of tranny strenght and R180 rear). It has a nice clutch rear, torsen front and tight (65%rear 35% front) lsd center diff. That and its symmetrical keeping torque bias in the diff completely free from half shaft weights.
But I must still note audi for making awd mainstream...not the original but the one's who made the big impact.
electric would be the Prodrive P1 prototype car with fully active diffs. Production would be the late porsche system...yes, better than the attessa system.
straight mechanical I would say subaru jdm 6-spd *(because of tranny strenght and R180 rear). It has a nice clutch rear, torsen front and tight (65%rear 35% front) lsd center diff. That and its symmetrical keeping torque bias in the diff completely free from half shaft weights.
But I must still note audi for making awd mainstream...not the original but the one's who made the big impact.
it really should be broken down between electronically controlled and good old mechanical systems...it makes a huge difference...
electric would be the Prodrive P1 prototype car with fully active diffs. Production would be the late porsche system...yes, better than the attessa system.
straight mechanical I would say subaru jdm 6-spd *(because of tranny strenght and R180 rear). It has a nice clutch rear, torsen front and tight (65%rear 35% front) lsd center diff. That and its symmetrical keeping torque bias in the diff completely free from half shaft weights.
But I must still note audi for making awd mainstream...not the original but the one's who made the big impact.
electric would be the Prodrive P1 prototype car with fully active diffs. Production would be the late porsche system...yes, better than the attessa system.
straight mechanical I would say subaru jdm 6-spd *(because of tranny strenght and R180 rear). It has a nice clutch rear, torsen front and tight (65%rear 35% front) lsd center diff. That and its symmetrical keeping torque bias in the diff completely free from half shaft weights.
But I must still note audi for making awd mainstream...not the original but the one's who made the big impact.
and the porsche system is very high up there you're right, but who knows if the R35 will be competition or not.
i think it can be further broken down from electric/mechanical into street (daily driving)/off road (rally)/tarmac(drag and racing)
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true with electric you really have to dial in for surface traction and aggressiveness.
I left the r35 off as it is still an unknown...I will gaurantee the prodrive p1 will smoke any production car's set up...just watch the video as I don't want to go too indepth
YouTube - Prodrive P1
I left the r35 off as it is still an unknown...I will gaurantee the prodrive p1 will smoke any production car's set up...just watch the video as I don't want to go too indepth

YouTube - Prodrive P1
ATTESA E-TS and ATTESA E-TS Pro are 4wd systems, as with the Escort/Cossie.
My vote also goes to QUATTRO. From my experience driving Audi's with that AWD system, It feels rock solid.
Gives amazingly neutral handling for an AWD car. Especially on the short-wheelbase TT.
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I was thinking about this yesterday... What the hell is the difference between 4wd and awd?
I like the ATTESA system because it places the engine right over the front wheels where it belongs (for a front engined layout). They also continue to use the ATTESA in the FX suv's and the AWD G35's. Nissan also had an AWD setup in the GTi-R that was very good. Now with the crazy transaxle AWD system in the GT-R, Nissan seems to be hitting a lot of AWD homeruns. The verdict is still out on the latter, though.
The Subaru system has the front axles coming out the side of the trans, meaning that the engine sits far forward of the front axle. Being that it's a flat-4, it's not that big of a deal. Any vote for Subaru should be limited to the STi version. The standard version with an open front diff and R160 rear diff should't have the honor.
I checked out an 80's Audi Quattro in the junkyard. It had a similar setup to the Subaru with front axles coming from the trans. But, they run a straight-5 in there longitudinally, putting the engine way the F in the front bumper. I know that Quattro is just the branding for all of their awd cars, so we should probably qualify which Audi system that you're voting for.
What about:
GM's Typhoon/Cyclone
Toyota's All-Trac
DSM's awd
Honda's realtime awd? LOL
I like the ATTESA system because it places the engine right over the front wheels where it belongs (for a front engined layout). They also continue to use the ATTESA in the FX suv's and the AWD G35's. Nissan also had an AWD setup in the GTi-R that was very good. Now with the crazy transaxle AWD system in the GT-R, Nissan seems to be hitting a lot of AWD homeruns. The verdict is still out on the latter, though.
The Subaru system has the front axles coming out the side of the trans, meaning that the engine sits far forward of the front axle. Being that it's a flat-4, it's not that big of a deal. Any vote for Subaru should be limited to the STi version. The standard version with an open front diff and R160 rear diff should't have the honor.
I checked out an 80's Audi Quattro in the junkyard. It had a similar setup to the Subaru with front axles coming from the trans. But, they run a straight-5 in there longitudinally, putting the engine way the F in the front bumper. I know that Quattro is just the branding for all of their awd cars, so we should probably qualify which Audi system that you're voting for.
What about:
GM's Typhoon/Cyclone
Toyota's All-Trac
DSM's awd
Honda's realtime awd? LOL
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What's the difference between a 4WD and an AWD? how do they work? - Yahoo! Answers
The main difference is the center differential in AWD systems. Allowing the front right and rear right tires to turn at different speeds.
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AWD is a type of 4WD sometimes called "full-time 4WD." It may not be driving all 4 wheels all the time, but if it isn't, it will automatically detect when extra traction is needed and shift power according to that need. There are many, MANY different variations on how this is done.
AWD will ALWAYS have 3 differentials. Two between the front and rear wheels to vary power left to right, and one between the front and rear differentials to vary power front to back.
4WD MAY have 3 diffs, but it could lack the center differential.
AWD will usually not use locking differentials for all 3 differentials, and may not use locking differentials at all.
4WD will very often have all differentials capable of locking.
Locking dif - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia... The characteristics of a locking diff are advantageous in situations where traction between wheels varies wildly (like one wheel is off the ground and has zero traction while the other is on rocks and has a lot of it), which mostly occur off-road. That is why off-road vehicles like Jeeps and stuff are almost always referred to as 4WD, while things like Subarus, which are designed more for handling difficult weather and unmaintained roads, are AWD.
Many off-road 4WD systems are not optimized for road use. They don't allow the wheel speeds to be different from left to right when the car is turning, for example (the outside wheel has to travel farther, and thus must turn faster). This leads to uneven tire wear, poor fuel economy, and can damage the differentials. Thus, most 4WD vehicles have a lever or switch to disable two of the drive wheels (usually the front, except for some old 4WD cars, like old Subaru GLs and Loyales). AWD does not need this, because either the system will be switched to 2WD in most driving conditions, or the system is designed to cope with spending 100 percent of the time driving all 4 wheels (and regardless of how they're putting power down, they can all vary the speed left to right)
There is a lot of overlap between AWD and 4WD, though...some 4WD systems in trucks would be called AWD in a car. The only consistent, 100 percent of the time difference is that AWD is not controlled by the driver. If it can be shut off, it is done automatically.
edit: Just noticed the category. For Subaru specifically, the practical difference is that with a 4WD, you CANNOT drive around like that all the time. It is NOT intended for highway use, and you really shouldn't go more than about 30 or 40 mph with 4WD turned on. The AWD systems aren't all the same in how they work, but as far as the driver is concerned, they work automatically. You never have to press any buttons or anything to activate it, it does what it needs to do at all times without your input. The only exception to this is in the STI, which has a dial in the center console that allows you to control how much of the torque goes to the front wheels and how much goes to the back (by controlling the center differential). IIRC, it can go up to 90 percent front or 90 percent rear.
AWD is a type of 4WD sometimes called "full-time 4WD." It may not be driving all 4 wheels all the time, but if it isn't, it will automatically detect when extra traction is needed and shift power according to that need. There are many, MANY different variations on how this is done.
AWD will ALWAYS have 3 differentials. Two between the front and rear wheels to vary power left to right, and one between the front and rear differentials to vary power front to back.
4WD MAY have 3 diffs, but it could lack the center differential.
AWD will usually not use locking differentials for all 3 differentials, and may not use locking differentials at all.
4WD will very often have all differentials capable of locking.
Locking dif - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia... The characteristics of a locking diff are advantageous in situations where traction between wheels varies wildly (like one wheel is off the ground and has zero traction while the other is on rocks and has a lot of it), which mostly occur off-road. That is why off-road vehicles like Jeeps and stuff are almost always referred to as 4WD, while things like Subarus, which are designed more for handling difficult weather and unmaintained roads, are AWD.
Many off-road 4WD systems are not optimized for road use. They don't allow the wheel speeds to be different from left to right when the car is turning, for example (the outside wheel has to travel farther, and thus must turn faster). This leads to uneven tire wear, poor fuel economy, and can damage the differentials. Thus, most 4WD vehicles have a lever or switch to disable two of the drive wheels (usually the front, except for some old 4WD cars, like old Subaru GLs and Loyales). AWD does not need this, because either the system will be switched to 2WD in most driving conditions, or the system is designed to cope with spending 100 percent of the time driving all 4 wheels (and regardless of how they're putting power down, they can all vary the speed left to right)
There is a lot of overlap between AWD and 4WD, though...some 4WD systems in trucks would be called AWD in a car. The only consistent, 100 percent of the time difference is that AWD is not controlled by the driver. If it can be shut off, it is done automatically.
edit: Just noticed the category. For Subaru specifically, the practical difference is that with a 4WD, you CANNOT drive around like that all the time. It is NOT intended for highway use, and you really shouldn't go more than about 30 or 40 mph with 4WD turned on. The AWD systems aren't all the same in how they work, but as far as the driver is concerned, they work automatically. You never have to press any buttons or anything to activate it, it does what it needs to do at all times without your input. The only exception to this is in the STI, which has a dial in the center console that allows you to control how much of the torque goes to the front wheels and how much goes to the back (by controlling the center differential). IIRC, it can go up to 90 percent front or 90 percent rear.
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