I am out of hibernation.

Sucks about that blue car though, it was nice.

 

Now that S&R has posted I wanted to tell what I witnessed on the day that Jerry blew his car. To start if Jerry felt that the Dyno was puting to much load on the car then he should not have got on it, second he was the one behind the wheel he saw the A/F was lean yet he stayed in it. We do work to our cars and we have to take responsability on what happens, to blame others is just Bullcrap. I am always at the shop and I have yet to see Jerry try to talk to Bobby or Jim in order the fix or get a good understanding of the facts. All I see here is the blame game being played by someone who had a mishap on the dyno. To start to bad talking a shop just starting out is LOW and will not benefit either party. Aslo Jerry you spoke with me after your mishap and you said " this was the same spot it blow before". I then asked you if you had the head milled before rebuild and you stated " No it looked good" and replyed you can't just look at it you have to properly measure and mill the surface. Stop and think before you do work on your car and then take count on what you tell others before you try to make yourslf some kind of victom, becouse it all comes back on you. Be a man and talk to them and stop the bullcrap posts with out trying to resolve this.

 

You are correct about the load bearing. And I am aware of the dynos ability to focus in on a particlar RPM. But what that means is when you have it loaded for every 200rpm like my car was) you should not do pulls from 3000-5000rpm that take 13 seconds. You should do pulls that last maybe 500rpm and take maybe 4 seconds. Your statement just proves what I have posted. You dont know how to use your dyno. You cant load a car for 13 seconds. There is not enough airflow over the coolers to compensate for the heat that is generated.

I was aware the hyabusa was not running a load when it was dynoed. But it was clear it took longer to pull through the RPM band than it normally would on the street. The owner of the bike was standing right there and admitted his bike goes through the rpm faster on the street. What this means is that bikes should not bother going to your dyno as even with no load the rollers are too heavy and place more load on the bike than it would ever see on the street. Your response again just proves you dont understand the concept of load bearing.

You question my ability to build an engine? The cylinder head was in fine condition when it was transferred to the new block. Thats why the car ran so well and won so many street races. I told you I "thought the gasket blew in the same spot" when we had our conversation. When I got home and found the gasket I saw I was incorrect and the gasket failed in a different spot. And even if the head wasn't flat it should have blown only the gasket, not the whole engine. As a mechanic it is more than obvious there was some extreme heat involved in what happened here. It is a direct result of too much load on the dyno. How many times do I have to state it took 13 seconds to go from 3000-5200? Imagine how long it would have taken to go 7500rpm. How bout 25 seconds? My car went the quarter in 11.9 seconds. Thats using all five gears. The simple fact is the dyno run was WAY TOO MUCH LOAD.

I didn't say your faulty a/f gauge blew up my car. I stated that my A/F gauge in the car was reading fine and it was the only gauge I was looking at during the pull. After the engine blew we looked at the dyno printout and read the 17-1 A/F. Rick at that time had no idea his WB was not reading correctly (and why should he the WB was only two days old?), so his stance was that my car was lean. WHICH IT WAS NOT.

I dont know why you want to quote Mark French about the tune on my car. He has never seen my car much less what kind of timing it runs. I only spoke with Mark once about the load on the dyno I was concerned for the shops sake that you guys didn't understand how load is to be used. I am not even going to print what he had to say about you guys.

I had hoped with taking my time and posting what went wrong here I would get a positive response from you. But to my dissapointment you seem to be clear about not taking any resposibilty here. You can mask the situation with all the cars that have been dynoed without problems. Two of the six cars dynoed on thursday and friday blew and you call that okay? The simple fact is not all the cars were dynoed with the load engaged. You need to learn how to use your dyno. I am already well respected here in the performance community. My achievemnets are well know from today to 20 years ago. You are going to have your work cut out for you with that attitude.

 

Well mister I know it all, do you know how to use a dyno NOT IF YOU DID YOU WOULD HAVE ONE AND DO THE SHIT YOUSELF. Stop talking shit you have no clue about. I was there I saw it and it was Jerrys fault. And the other car blew two or three days latter on the road not on the dyno. You guys need to grow up and tell things the way they are and stop putting your two cents in it becouse its just wothless.

 

as an unbiased person in this matter, I have to say that questioning Jerry's expertise in the area of motor assembly is a big mistake on your part. His track record speaks for itself. This is not to say he is infallible, but if he's going to make a mistake, the last place any mechanic is going to put suspect parts is back on his own car, his daily driver.

As a former business owner and dyno operator of nearly 8 years, I'd recommend that you handle this situation differently, on both sides. I realize that there is pride at stake, but no one is coming off as professional in this matter. Certainly you two can resolve your differences without trashing each other publicly?

 

YO relax and lets keep this constructive and not personal this is a discussion not an argument.. both sides are both upset so lets please resolve it without harsh words.

 

Is anyone replying for S&R looking at the pics? Just look at the plugs. There was so much heat and detonation from the load of the dyno that the electrodes were blown completely off.

This car was running PERFECTLY before it went onto the rollers. There was no tuning being done to the car. The cars tune has nothing to do with the reason that it blew up.

If you would just look at the pics before making yourself sound dumb, it would answer all the questions in the world. The headgasket that was in question before this motor blew up barely had a crack in the gasket. The car was running perfectly even with a slightly blown headgasket. It certainly didnt blow to the point where it needed to be milled. The head surface was flat and was prepared correctly to be put on the current motor *which is now blown*.

The S&R crew should have known from the get-go that there was too much load on the dyno. If they went to the dyno manufacturer to understand how a dyno works, they would have known that under load, the full dyno pass should only take 4-5seconds tops, not 13seconds in the case of the evo. This also need to be into consideration that this 13second pull was from 3000-5200rpms. This wasnt even a full dyno pass. This was half the rpms the car normally sees.

To bring up the load again, why in the hell would a 147whp car blow up on the dyno? What would cause a bone stock suburu wagon to blow up? I just dont understand why you guys can't just open your eyes for one second to take a look at the possibilities. You had to turn the load setting off the dyno to do your dyno day. Why is that? Why didnt you just leave the load settings the way they were if they had nothing to do with the cars blowing up? The simple answer to that question is because you have no clue how to operate the dyno. Mark himself did not want anything to do with this dyno on the load settings because he himself knew you guys didnt know what you were doing. These are the facts and I think you should sit down amongst yourselves as a shop to contimplate how you plan to fix situations like this, because this is just the start.

Take my word for it. The shop you guys have is kick ass, but if no one there has any clue on how to do things properly, it wont be successful. All it takes is word of mouth to make a shop or break a shop. I want to see you all make it, but just remember this. It will only be as successful as you make it. Good luck on your journey and hopefully, you guys can fix this disaster.

 

JOHN like kirk and i asked no personal attacks

 

if you're talking on behalf of S&R..with an attitude like that you are really making it worse for them...if you are telling me that they knew how to work their dyno properly on thursday and friday BEFORE mark came down..then you are on crack..And to the staff of S&R..i am by no means trying to bash you guys...you have an excellent shop and have the possibilities to be a very reputable shop...the only thing i am really waiting to hear from you guys is a simple apology and a statement saying that you really didn't know how to operate your dyno correctly until mark came down and helped you out....thats it

 

Jerry we can back and forth on this. I did not get into this business to fight with you. Now you can come down to the shop and we handle this like two responable adults.