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Old Aug 16, 2006 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Dano Moparo
True, but everyone is living in the "here and now" midset latley.

The one thing that hits me is that Al Gore says that in 10 years we will be overcome with the effects of "Global Warming" and we need to act immedeatly.
Now Tojo wants to flood the american market with a million of these over-hyped, over-estimated under-powered energy sucking piles of shit over the next ten years.

So I wanna know how much this is gonna accelerate global warming?
Well Toyota's seemingly of the impression that this is the beginning of the end for the gasoline powered car. So they have to break a few eggs to make the omelette. Suffer the increased energy consumption now in order to reduce it later. If hybrids do end up taking over the market and reducing energy consumption, no one will bitch about the increased consumption now. If they dont, well then we might hear more about this. I say might because well you know that no one likes to say bad things about the foreign automakers.

In any case, hybrids have a long way to go until they satisfy the needs of consumers as a whole.
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Old Aug 16, 2006 | 05:12 PM
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#1 good luck buying a hybrid for anything less than $5k over sticker
#2 the batteries on the hybrids are not lasting nowhere near what thy are expected to, so enjoy paying a couple thousand dollars for a battery ever 1-2 years on top of the regular maintenance cost.
#3 the actual gas milage consumer are getting is well below what they post on the window sticker, which is true for a lot of vehicles you could argue
#4 good luck picking a really hot chick or getting laid with the impressive sound a hybrid engine makes when you rev it and it's amazingly non attractive looks.
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Old Aug 16, 2006 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Orion ZyGarian
I say we should actually get some diesel passenger cars. What are your choices? Um, the Passat, some Mercedes....and...what else? Whatever...

I'm 100% for hydrogen combustion engines. Octane rating of 130?! Far more BTUs compared to fossil fuels?! Plus it shuts up the extremists since after it has been processed, it is 100% safe for the environment....frankly, as long as I can retrofit my current day gasoline powered engine to run off of hydrogen...I really dont care hardly at all what it takes to make it work...

That being said, because of the much higher octane rating and BTU capacity, incredibly small lightweight engines would make scary high power in comparison and thus possibly phase out anything with more than 6 cylinders, and 6 would be quite the handful...let alone forced induction.

As I said, if I could get my I6 turbo to run off of hydrogen completely and efficiently, I'll be thrilled
and with hydrogen you'd get less than half the gas mileage and wont be able to find a place to fill up.

sure hydrogen would be great, but its easily 20-30 years away from now
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Old Aug 16, 2006 | 07:52 PM
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I hear Honda is bringing over their diesel engines in a couple years. Probably a better idea than hybrids, cost-wise.
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Old Aug 16, 2006 | 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by DrDirt
They also need to overcome the ugly-per-mile factor. Hybrids have a lot of that.
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Old Aug 18, 2006 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Fritchard
and with hydrogen you'd get less than half the gas mileage and wont be able to find a place to fill up.

sure hydrogen would be great, but its easily 20-30 years away from now
Well that all depends on how much pressure you compress it to...it actually has far more BTUs per gallon but the problem is its far harder to produce a gallon of hydrogen (a gas) as opposed to a gallon of gasoline (liquid).

But yeah, I mean in the long-term future. In the mean time, I'll kill the atmosphere with my lack of catylitic converters and positive-pressure running engine. One day I'll experiment with spark plugs and glow plugs in the exhaust to see what it does, but until then I'll stick to my OEM exhaust DD to keep the EPA happy
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Old Aug 19, 2006 | 07:58 PM
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The reason you never see anything negative on hybrids in the Liberal left media, is that they ultimately have an agenda to promote; getting the independent thinkers out of their privately owned, self controlled vehicles and onto public transportation.......and mant things lead in that direction.
People who drive their own cars and make their own decisions regarding their own life are dangerous to those who want to control you.
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The last time I heard Gore's phrase "10 years" was from actor Ted Danson, who said many years ago that we had only ten years to "save the planet".
A cry that periodically surfaces; just like "global warming."
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When you see a glacier melt and fall into the ocean, it is not global warming, it is God's way of putting water into the ocean, which evaporates, which rains down, and evaporates again, etc........and Global warming is a hoax, just like "Global Dimming".
We have the same amount of water on this planet that we have always had, and hybrids, and all the other stuff, won't change that.-Bob
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Old Aug 19, 2006 | 08:16 PM
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Default an economic analysis......

During the 70's "energy crisis"; stubborness of domestic mfg'ers to produce small, gas efficient cars gave a 15% hold on America's car market to the Japanese, and the US never recovered that market.

Another mistake: In the 2000's giving the hybrid market to the Japanese; something you will tell your children about in the future.......unless someone is one of those people who do not remember the lesson of the 70's, and will not remember the 2000's either......thereby dooming themselves to repeat......the same mistakes...., etc.-Bob
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Old Aug 19, 2006 | 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by senor honda
hybrids, and all the other stuff, won't change that.-Bob
its always intresting to hear from you senor...haven't seen you for awhile..*or ever *

I am pro saving the enviorment, so it makes me wanna say pro hybrid car..but they need more MPG....pollution does hurt the enviorment, you can't deny it..i didn't read the whole article, but It seems like it favors the gas company. and they don't need any more favors...
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Old Aug 20, 2006 | 07:17 AM
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i'll stick with my 1.6 liter Toyota 4 cylinder thank you. good enough for me. hybrids are gay anyway.
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