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Im gonna go out on a limb and say chrysler (sp). But their new lineup of SRT(X) cars sure do pretty good. Low 14's on the 300C and the magnum I think, Then they have the SRT-4 which is nice I hate them myself but a great budget racer.
Then theres the dodge daytona charger coming out and what not, I really think that chrysler have really outdone themselves in correlation to the older muscle cars. Granted they put out 4dr sedans, but think about this, their a WHOLE lot more comfortable then the old muscle cars, and their faster stock for stock.
Then theres the dodge daytona charger coming out and what not, I really think that chrysler have really outdone themselves in correlation to the older muscle cars. Granted they put out 4dr sedans, but think about this, their a WHOLE lot more comfortable then the old muscle cars, and their faster stock for stock.
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I'd have to agree with Chrysler. I don't want to get into an arguement over "its still a neon", "the orange one's are faster/slower" or any other crap. From a simple numbers standpoint of total models offered compared to performance oriented models offered, nobody comes close to Chrysler. They've got a race version of everything but the damned minivan.
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Originally Posted by Fordified
I'd have to agree with Chrysler. I don't want to get into an arguement over "its still a neon", "the orange one's are faster/slower" or any other crap. From a simple numbers standpoint of total models offered compared to performance oriented models offered, nobody comes close to Chrysler. They've got a race version of everything but the damned minivan.
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I'm going to say Toyota for least performance minded, closely followed by Honda. Toyota had the Celica GT-S, a slow FWD economy car with 1500 rpm of slightly less slow screaming high rev added on top. Toyota had the MR-S, a super-lightweight mid-engine two seater sports car that still managed to be boring and slow with all of ~140 hp and not sell very well. Now they're killing both and their fastest car is a hybrid SUV. Their stated competitor to the 350z is the Tacoma X-runner pickup truck! 
Honda at least pretends to have performance models, but the Civic SI and RSX-S are far from the leaders of the pack in their segments and none of the Honda tuners really like them, well, at least not the Civic. The only things people really like about the RSX are the interior and the engine, and they only like the engine because they can swap it into their 92 Hatch and avoid that farty b-series exhaust note.
Among domestic manufacturers, it's hard to say. They all have their halo cars and some performance models. Ford SVT is in a bit of a slow patch, and I'd say they're the least performance minded right now. The new Mustang GT is nothing spectacular and the SVT won't be out for a while. They have the Ford GT but not for much longer and it's priced pretty far out of most people's grasp. Longer term I'd say it's GM. They put too much into trucks and not enough into their cars. They have the Vette, a strong contender in base and the upcoming Z06 form. The GTO is a good car but it just isn't selling because they haven't appealed to the muscle car market. The Caddy line has some performance models in it now. If you really want to dig you can mention the Saab 9-2x but I refuse to consider a Subaru WRX with Saab bodywork a GM product. Other than that, it's a bunch of boring, crappy rental fleet cars and a bunch of big trucks. Their cars need to move to RWD platforms, they need affordable muscle cars and hot V8 versions of their more pedestrian sedans, wagons, and crossovers.
Honda at least pretends to have performance models, but the Civic SI and RSX-S are far from the leaders of the pack in their segments and none of the Honda tuners really like them, well, at least not the Civic. The only things people really like about the RSX are the interior and the engine, and they only like the engine because they can swap it into their 92 Hatch and avoid that farty b-series exhaust note.
Among domestic manufacturers, it's hard to say. They all have their halo cars and some performance models. Ford SVT is in a bit of a slow patch, and I'd say they're the least performance minded right now. The new Mustang GT is nothing spectacular and the SVT won't be out for a while. They have the Ford GT but not for much longer and it's priced pretty far out of most people's grasp. Longer term I'd say it's GM. They put too much into trucks and not enough into their cars. They have the Vette, a strong contender in base and the upcoming Z06 form. The GTO is a good car but it just isn't selling because they haven't appealed to the muscle car market. The Caddy line has some performance models in it now. If you really want to dig you can mention the Saab 9-2x but I refuse to consider a Subaru WRX with Saab bodywork a GM product. Other than that, it's a bunch of boring, crappy rental fleet cars and a bunch of big trucks. Their cars need to move to RWD platforms, they need affordable muscle cars and hot V8 versions of their more pedestrian sedans, wagons, and crossovers.
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Originally Posted by Jordan Y.
I'm going to say Toyota for least performance minded, closely followed by Honda. Toyota had the Celica GT-S, a slow FWD economy car with 1500 rpm of slightly less slow screaming high rev added on top. Toyota had the MR-S, a super-lightweight mid-engine two seater sports car that still managed to be boring and slow with all of ~140 hp and not sell very well. Now they're killing both and their fastest car is a hybrid SUV. Their stated competitor to the 350z is the Tacoma X-runner pickup truck!
Honda at least pretends to have performance models, but the Civic SI and RSX-S are far from the leaders of the pack in their segments and none of the Honda tuners really like them, well, at least not the Civic. The only things people really like about the RSX are the interior and the engine, and they only like the engine because they can swap it into their 92 Hatch and avoid that farty b-series exhaust note.
Among domestic manufacturers, it's hard to say. They all have their halo cars and some performance models. Ford SVT is in a bit of a slow patch, and I'd say they're the least performance minded right now. The new Mustang GT is nothing spectacular and the SVT won't be out for a while. They have the Ford GT but not for much longer and it's priced pretty far out of most people's grasp. Longer term I'd say it's GM. They put too much into trucks and not enough into their cars. They have the Vette, a strong contender in base and the upcoming Z06 form. The GTO is a good car but it just isn't selling because they haven't appealed to the muscle car market. The Caddy line has some performance models in it now. If you really want to dig you can mention the Saab 9-2x but I refuse to consider a Subaru WRX with Saab bodywork a GM product. Other than that, it's a bunch of boring, crappy rental fleet cars and a bunch of big trucks. Their cars need to move to RWD platforms, they need affordable muscle cars and hot V8 versions of their more pedestrian sedans, wagons, and crossovers.
Honda at least pretends to have performance models, but the Civic SI and RSX-S are far from the leaders of the pack in their segments and none of the Honda tuners really like them, well, at least not the Civic. The only things people really like about the RSX are the interior and the engine, and they only like the engine because they can swap it into their 92 Hatch and avoid that farty b-series exhaust note.
Among domestic manufacturers, it's hard to say. They all have their halo cars and some performance models. Ford SVT is in a bit of a slow patch, and I'd say they're the least performance minded right now. The new Mustang GT is nothing spectacular and the SVT won't be out for a while. They have the Ford GT but not for much longer and it's priced pretty far out of most people's grasp. Longer term I'd say it's GM. They put too much into trucks and not enough into their cars. They have the Vette, a strong contender in base and the upcoming Z06 form. The GTO is a good car but it just isn't selling because they haven't appealed to the muscle car market. The Caddy line has some performance models in it now. If you really want to dig you can mention the Saab 9-2x but I refuse to consider a Subaru WRX with Saab bodywork a GM product. Other than that, it's a bunch of boring, crappy rental fleet cars and a bunch of big trucks. Their cars need to move to RWD platforms, they need affordable muscle cars and hot V8 versions of their more pedestrian sedans, wagons, and crossovers.
