considering that cars are poor investments, the supra is Less shitty of an investment than the Evo or Scooby.

a MKIV in decent shape can still be sold for $25-$28k with low miles. and thats for a car thats at LEAST 7 years old... how much is a stock Evo or STi (eye infection) gonna be in 7-10 years??? maybe $10k-ish? granted, the MKIV's started out as a more expensive vehicle but they can still command quite a resale price, moreso than a turbocharged saloon.

im a big fan of Evo's and Sty's, because ive been into them for much longer than i have supras... but when it comes to fit and finish, power production, power potential, bling factor and exclusivity, the MKIV wins... hands down.

but then again, im biased

 

You of all people should know that even with AWD, Evos can still lay the smacketh down upon plenty...kickass top end!

Flub, that is one way of looking at it, but as a person with 1 car and 1 car only for quite a while, I'm not into selling...honest to god, I want to keep this car for the rest of my life. Toyota Toyota blah blah blah Supra blah blah blah Toyota NGHGTHDGDCRDTRK Toyota blah blah blah turbo it N2O blah.

In related news, if you know who is in my avatar, then you should get it after a few minutes

 

que se dice? i hope youre being facetious. does the Evo or Sty have a ~200mph top end potential in stock form??? i didnt think so, have a nice day!

 

200??? I dunno man, are you sure? What would be "stock form?" A T78 or a Thumper or something hardly makes the car stock anymore I think

 

John, i get what youre saying... in bone stock form with the speed limiter disabled, itll get up to the 180's. Open up the exhaust and the intake, you can knock on the 200mph barrier. but in stock form, the MKIV will make use of 300hp better than the Sty does of its 300hp. the STy and evo can NOT outbrake a MKIV. i dont think they can out handle the MKIV either. and MKIV's are definitly more classy looking compared to the 4-door Saloons. the Evo and STy are just that; 4 doors. they dont turn heads the way even a Stock MKIV will.

granted, for $30k, this is about all youve got to work with... what other cars are out there that can best the Supra in more than one aspect as well as have a commanding presence?

 

I've been asked this quite a few times.

A Supra is, well, a Supra. Everyone knows MKIV Supras. They are built great, have an awesome engine that can withstand massive amounts of power, are very well known, and are overall a great vehicle. BUT, they're ungodly expensive for how old they are, and most have been beat on and some even abused. You take a risk with every one you buy.

The Subaru or Mitsubishi is new with a warranty and not beat on. Both have good powerplants and strong AWD drivetrains, and strong aftermarket support.

Between the Scooby and Mitsu, I would definitely choose the Scooby (STi over WRX hands-down). The Subaru has more power and torque, better crash test ratings and is, IMO, a better built car. The Evolution has had problems left and right, whereas the STi has had none that I know of. Two of the three things the Evo is better at the STi at (steering, handling, and brakes) have actually been turned against the Evo in C&D's long-term test. They first praised the steering because it was very quick and responsive. After 40,000 miles they say the steering feels nervous and frantic, and is tiresome trying to keep the car steady. C&D also first praised the handling of the Evo because it was firmer, had better rebound and dampening, and felt overall more stable. After 40,000 miles they reversed that and said the suspension was too harsh for regular driving felt far less stable than when they first got the car.

So, the Evo has one thing over the STi (brakes that don't fade as much after 30 miles of rigorous mountain driving - which there are none in this area of Florida). The STi has, like stated above, more power, more torque, it's safer, and is more reliable. That's 4-1 in favor of the Scooby.

Basically, it comes down to what you want, a car that is well-known and can make big power, or a well-balanced all-wheel-drive car that's new and has a warranty.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to own a MKIV Supra. Preferably wingless, gloss black. But, for a daily driver that I'm going to spend most of my money on, I chose the STi. My father owns a WRX. Think I'm biased?

 

I keep hearing how the EVO has all these "problems" but nobody can name them. I hear about WRX trannies crapping out though. The stock clutch is weak, it's designed to be. More hp/tq...just barely, and that advantage goes away once you start modifying. I don't know about the C&D report but they did a rematch 05' MR vs. 05' STi and the Evo won it again.

The MKiV is an excellent car in basically every category, with Toyota quality to boot.

Tough choice.

 

I never said anything about a WRX? The STi 6-speed is not weak by any means, neither is the clutch.

That little extra power can be felt in all aspects of driving.

And why did the MR win again? Because of the handling and steering.

I've seen maybe three Evos around Tampa, but yet I've seen many STis. That may hint at something.....the STi is a better car.

 

id love to see a mkiv with intake and exhaust go 200mph...my mk3 with 3" exhaust, 8psi of boost topped at 145....i DOUBT a mkiv with just exhaust and intake will even see 180 unless maybe its a cold ass day and u have 10 miles.

btw i had the targa off when i topped it at 145