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Old Jan 18, 2010 | 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Stealth Mode
Thats odd, because after 12 engines built I have never been able to turn a shortblock over by hand. Please explain what im doing wrong because all the engines ran perfect.
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Old Jan 18, 2010 | 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by T/S #25
That is totally incorrect. Fresh or not, when the crank is installed and the main caps are torqued to spec, the crank should turn free. When you twist it by hand, it should be able to rotate by itself. If it doesn't, there is something wrong, bearing clearance to tight, bent crank, etc. I would assume the shop would have told you the crank was bent when they turned it down. Did you have the block align honed? Maybe it isn't a problem with the crank at all.
when i took the block, crank, rods and pistons to the shop. i just had the guy hot tank the block and measure the crank to make sure it was .010-.010 so i could get bearings. and to make sure nothing was cracked. i figured that if it was bent he would have told me. maybe not....


ok i bought this shortblock from someone. the block has arp main studs, not sure if the block was aligned honed when they were installed. cross hatch machine marks on mains looked pretty fresh. also the oil holes on the crank have been opened up for better oil flow....i wasnt the one who had the crank turned. this is, is I took this motor apart. it turned over pretty nicely when everything was together. i have had the crank out of the block for a while now. you guys think that could have bent it? either way something is wrong. and i know it.

i even tried to put the crank into another block with my bearings that the machine shop let be use, same problem.

you guys think its worth turning it down to like .020-.020 or should i just get a new crank? if i turn it more i have to buy new bearings. i will probably have to buy new ones anyway. no point to start out with ones that look like they got 10,000 miles on them lol

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Old Jan 18, 2010 | 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by mustangman101
...it turned over pretty nicely when everything was together.
Barring anything unusual, if it turned over before, then it is most likely you are doing something wrong today. Check the old main bearings and see if you can get a size. They are stamped std, .010, .020 to denote their undersizings. This way you an confirm you have the correct bearing.

If this drags on too far, you can get a black sharpie pen, and color in the bearing surfaces, and then assemble them one by one, rotating them between each cap install. The sharpie will leave a telltale where the rubbing is going on, and maybe give some insight was to what the issue is.

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Old Jan 19, 2010 | 03:26 AM
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If this drags on too far, you can get a black sharpie pen, and color in the bearing surfaces, and then assemble them one by one, rotating them between each cap install.
Words to live by right there. Spin it every time, same with each piston installation.
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Old Jan 19, 2010 | 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by 95coBraSVT
I've always made sure to turn the crank after installing each rod/piston.
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Old Jan 19, 2010 | 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by 95coBraSVT
Careful...dont get injured pattin yourself on the back
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Old Jan 19, 2010 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by EFI-Unlimited
Barring anything unusual, if it turned over before, then it is most likely you are doing something wrong today. Check the old main bearings and see if you can get a size. They are stamped std, .010, .020 to denote their undersizings. This way you an confirm you have the correct bearing.

If this drags on too far, you can get a black sharpie pen, and color in the bearing surfaces, and then assemble them one by one, rotating them between each cap install. The sharpie will leave a telltale where the rubbing is going on, and maybe give some insight was to what the issue is.

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the bearing are the same size as the ones i removed. and like i said the guy at the machine shop said the mains and rods were .010 under.

the other day i sat the crank in the block with ONLY the 1st and 5th main bearing halves in the block.

i set a dial indicator on each of the 2nd,3rd,4th mains...and turned the crank and looked at the needle. it moved .003 down as i rotated the crank. and then back up when it came around.

that sounds like its bent to me. it did the same thing on each main.
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Old Jan 19, 2010 | 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by GNs-r-slow
Careful...dont get injured pattin yourself on the back
Hey, if he would just put an f-ing carb on the damn thing, he wouldn't be HAVING this problem! LMAO!
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Old Jan 19, 2010 | 05:15 PM
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are you pushing the crank back and forth, make sure the thrust is right. Some times the crank isn't sitting in the right place, its to much on the sides. Where the bearing journal meets the throw. I hope you understand. 4-5 machine shops that i have seen will take a brass mallet and whach it a few times to get the right thrust clearance to check.
My 406 did that, wouldn't turn when assembling it and then my friend came over and whacked a few times back and forth to make sure it was sitting correctly inside the journals. makes sense?
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Old Jan 19, 2010 | 05:56 PM
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For starters, check out how much clearance you have on the main bearings and get back to us with the numbers?
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