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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 09:12 AM
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Here is some information I dug up about the anderson ford motorsport 2000 GT back when I first got my new edge stang in 2006. Its a pretty stout car N/A. Just goes to show what the 4.6 is actually capable of even though this may be a bit extreme for a street car.

The reason Im posting this is because there are some debates going on between the SBF's and the Mod motors. I love both engines but I do respect what the mods are capable of even though they are insanely expensive.

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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 09:24 AM
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take the money he spent on that setup and put it into a pushrod engine and i gurentee u the pushrod engine will blow that fat fucker away!!!
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take the money he spent on that setup and put it into a pushrod engine and i gurentee u the pushrod engine will blow that fat fucker away!!!
Using nothing but stock long blocks,.. the only variables being bolt ons, cams and exhaust,.. the 4.6 will make more power then the 5.0. Thats already been done and is a moot point. Show me a stock 85 - 95 long block 5.0 making 360 rwhp NA?

Dollar vs dollar,.. yes,. .the 5.0 will make more power. I find it humorous when I read guys putting forged internals into a stock block,.. be it a 347 or just a 306. Whats the point? The stock crank and rods will hold enough power to split the block. Its a waste of money IMO.

I havent kept up with it,.. but I know the 2v 4.6 motors dominated the 05 - 06 seasons vs the 5.0 motors,. even against their own 4v motors. IIRC the 07 season went to a 4v motor.

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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Hurstmeister
Using nothing but stock long blocks,.. the only variables being bolt ons, cams and exhaust,.. the 4.6 will make more power then the 5.0. Thats already been done and is a moot point. Show me a stock 85 - 95 long block 5.0 making 360 rwhp NA?

Dollar vs dollar,.. yes,. .the 5.0 will make more power. I find it humorous when I read guys putting forged internals into a stock block,.. be it a 347 or just a 306. Whats the point? The stock crank and rods will hold enough power to split the block. Its a waste of money IMO.

I havent kept up with it,.. but I know the 2v 4.6 motors dominated the 05 - 06 seasons vs the 5.0 motors,. even against their own 4v motors. IIRC the 07 season went to a 4v motor.

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Internals: Pistons, rods, crank.

302s with nonforged pistons need forged pistons. Its that simple.
Crank will hold out longer than the block, usually. With a good Mexican block and some girdle work, maybe not.
Rods...eh, I dunno. Anyone know more about the threshold of the stock rods?
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Originally Posted by Hurstmeister
Using nothing but stock long blocks,.. the only variables being bolt ons, cams and exhaust,.. the 4.6 will make more power then the 5.0. Thats already been done and is a moot point. Show me a stock 85 - 95 long block 5.0 making 360 rwhp NA?

Dollar vs dollar,.. yes,. .the 5.0 will make more power. I find it humorous when I read guys putting forged internals into a stock block,.. be it a 347 or just a 306. Whats the point? The stock crank and rods will hold enough power to split the block. Its a waste of money IMO.

I havent kept up with it,.. but I know the 2v 4.6 motors dominated the 05 - 06 seasons vs the 5.0 motors,. even against their own 4v motors. IIRC the 07 season went to a 4v motor.

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I think you just agreed with him.... Please show me a "stock" 96 or newer 4.6 long block making 360 rwhp NA. I haven't found one that is doing it NA yet.....I have found dozens that do it with the help of a supercharger...but none that do it NA yet...At least not stock.

Dollar for dollar is what 302stroker was saying. Compare apples to apples. The 4.6 is smaller, but of different design. If you put $1000 into a stock 4.6, and then put $1000 into a stock 5.0, the 5.0 will make more hp. Now, if you take a 4.6 and a 5.0 with the same hp (or at least very close) and run them over and over, the 4.6 will last longer than the 5.0. Also, it is MY opinion, that the 4.6 runs smoother than the 5.0. But I LOVE my 5.0's. I understand them, and I know how to make them make decent power. The 4.6...Well, toss a new computer at it, and poof...you get instant hp...Now, why is that? I think that it's all about the engine management and A/F ratios combined with timing....None of which can be done manually.....Another reason why I like carbed 5.0's vs. FI 5.0's. But that's another story.

I know the 4.6 stock in the mustangs makes about 300 hp. But is it 300 rwhp? Or is it at the back of the motor? Well.......I think we all know the answer to that one.
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had both,i will stick with 5.0 and 5.8
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Yeah, let me add one more tidbit in here for the 4.6 guys.

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Originally Posted by 95coBraSVT
I think you just agreed with him.... Please show me a "stock" 96 or newer 4.6 long block making 360 rwhp NA. I haven't found one that is doing it NA yet.....I have found dozens that do it with the help of a supercharger...but none that do it NA yet...At least not stock.

Dollar for dollar is what 302stroker was saying. Compare apples to apples. The 4.6 is smaller, but of different design. If you put $1000 into a stock 4.6, and then put $1000 into a stock 5.0, the 5.0 will make more hp. Now, if you take a 4.6 and a 5.0 with the same hp (or at least very close) and run them over and over, the 4.6 will last longer than the 5.0. Also, it is MY opinion, that the 4.6 runs smoother than the 5.0. But I LOVE my 5.0's. I understand them, and I know how to make them make decent power. The 4.6...Well, toss a new computer at it, and poof...you get instant hp...Now, why is that? I think that it's all about the engine management and A/F ratios combined with timing....None of which can be done manually.....Another reason why I like carbed 5.0's vs. FI 5.0's. But that's another story.

I know the 4.6 stock in the mustangs makes about 300 hp. But is it 300 rwhp? Or is it at the back of the motor? Well.......I think we all know the answer to that one.

By dollar per dollar I meant bolt on vs bolt on. Its cheaper to do the 5.0. But the 5.0 in the in end will not make more HP. The E7 heads just dont flow enough.



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Yeah, let me add one more tidbit in here for the 4.6 guys.

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4.6 has a longer stroke then a 5.0.

Its the dinky pistons and bore center that holds them back.


I like them both,.. but have to give the 4.6 credit where credit is due.
for 281ci vs 302ci,.. the 4.6 more then makes up its lack of cubes with greater efficiency. PI, 3v and 4v heads far surpass the dorky E7's any day of the week,.. even ported E7's. This is bone stock vs bone stock. Not taking any aftermarket into account here other then bolt ons.

Long block vs long block 4.6 > 5.0


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u just proved my point...
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