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Old Jan 30, 2008 | 01:39 PM
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Question Race discussion broken off from small block thread.

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Old Jan 31, 2008 | 02:53 AM
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I believe it will be easier for you to distinguish between big blocks and small blocks by using their actual physical size. The problem with going with a cubic inch limitation, is policing everybody's combination. For example, the only way to tell the difference between a 358 and a 408, which both rotating assemblies fit inside a 351 block, is to P&G the engine. I'm not sure if you want to go through the trouble of buying a pump and then checking each car before the race.

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Old Jan 31, 2008 | 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by T/S #25
I believe it will be easier for you to distinguish between big blocks and small blocks by using their actual physical size. The problem with going with a cubic inch limitation, is policing everybody's combination. For example, the only way to tell the difference between a 358 and a 408, which both rotating assemblies fit inside a 351 block, is to P&G the engine. I'm not sure if you want to go through the trouble of buying a pump and then checking each car before the race.

Just my 2 cents.

Pretty much my point. As far as policing the size, this is easy and you do not have to P & G every car. You just pick a set point in the race to check a few. When we raced sprints at east bay the just P & G'd the winner and runner up. Personally I think this is / was to late in the game.
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So if you had two classes to go race in and one was called small block and the other big block where or how would you draw a cubic inch line or something else to be fair ?
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Originally Posted by Scott
I know CID has nothing to with making a block a sb or bb, this was more of a genral concensus of what people think that went a little off track.

As far as classes go and production blocks, still in the early phases on that front but I see no harm with aftermarket blocks in a small block class, afterall they are more of a guarantee for reliability and do not necessarily make more power on their own.

Keep up the good discussion here, it is helping a lot.
Are you just trying to put together a class that your car will fit in and be the mac?
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Originally Posted by cochese
Are you just trying to put together a class that your car will fit in and be the mac?

Regular class at one of the tracks, maybe.

A race, more likely.

And I am not trying to "fit" anywhere this seems to be where some get confused. I did not set out to build a race car, much less one that I would have to change to "fit" rules I do not agree with to begin with. It just so happens my car ended up running better than expected ( to me anyhow ) without leaning on it so now I am a little more interested in maybe racing once and a while.

First I still have to get my trans issue worked out. I have to come out on 5lbs of boost and ramp in after that. I want to let it loose out of the hole ! I can't imagine 10+ out of the hole and 24-26lbs down track.

If I find some place to go race my car without having to change much and it has a chance at being competitive then sure. Otherwise I have no one to try and impress, I hit my goal already and with little effort.

I have seen a growing gap at the track for a lot of people and I am going to try and do something about it. Thus why I am asking questions and there are a lot more questions to come.

Will see what happens. Until then you guys keep doing all the mac'in and building race cars.
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Originally Posted by Scott
Regular class at one of the tracks, maybe.

A race, more likely.

And I am not trying to "fit" anywhere this seems to be where some get confused. I did not set out to build a race car, much less one that I would have to change to "fit" rules I do not agree with to begin with. It just so happens my car ended up running better than expected ( to me anyhow ) without leaning on it so now I am a little more interested in maybe racing once and a while.

First I still have to get my trans issue worked out. I have to come out on 5lbs of boost and ramp in after that. I want to let it loose out of the hole ! I can't imagine 10+ out of the hole and 24-26lbs down track.

If I find some place to go race my car without having to change much and it has a chance at being competitive then sure. Otherwise I have no one to try and impress, I hit my goal already and with little effort.

I have seen a growing gap at the track for a lot of people and I am going to try and do something about it. Thus why I am asking questions and there are a lot more questions to come.

Will see what happens. Until then you guys keep doing all the mac'in and building race cars.

there is a 6.50 index class
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Originally Posted by Scott

I hit my goal already and with little effort.

a 1.6 60' isn't a lofty goal....
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Originally Posted by cochese
there is a 6.50 index class


Thought about it last year, not for me. Index racing is not my thing to watch or run in ( no offense to those that do it by any means ).

I still want to see how that class at Immoklee shakes out because after watching the videos from a week or so ago I was as fast as 1/3 of the cars already. The only thing limiting me right now from running is I have a 82mm which I find funny because I am willing to bet I would have one of the smallest motors down there and it is not like I am using even half of the potential of the 82mm. I could probably go quicker in the 1/8th with a 72-76 anyway. And as their rules say, you must meet the spirit of a street car or something like that. I bet I meet that criteria as much or more than most of the cars running in that class.

Again will see how it goes. Racing is far down the list of important things for me. I stopped doing videos at the track last year because it was no longer fun and felt like more of a burden, I do not want going to the track with my car to turn into the same thing. I have seen it happen a lot.

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Originally Posted by $hawn
a 1.6 60' isn't a lofty goal....




That is probably the average between the good passes (1.37's) and bad passes (1.9's) right now. But it has steadily improved since I replaced those dead leaking shocks on the back.

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