I found this in an old thread from searching google for something else. The thread is closd now, and I thought I would bring this up in case some people thought it was true.

"steering straight doesnt get more angle, steering the wheel to full lock does"

This is entirely incorrect. When you are sliding, mid-drift, correction causes less drift angle, and steering away from the slide aka 'straight' will correct the slide less, therefore giving you more angle.

It would seem that both Funk and Teddy disagree with this, but it's a pretty fundamental aspect of slide control.

Original thread: https://www.tamparacing.com/forums/s...9&page=3&pp=15

-Sean

 

disagree

 

How? You apply more countersteer in REACTION to more angle. If you increase the angle of countersteer without adding throttle to correspondingly push the rear end out, then you are going to be correcting the slide, and lessening the degree of angle.

It's very simple.



-Sean

 

And I still disagree.

You are sliding into a decreasing radius turn, going through the apex and now need the car to rotate more, i.e. increase the angle of the slide - this is not going to be achieved by straightening the wheel out.

I suppose different techniques might enable slightly different outcomes, but the fact that increasing the countersteer would increase the angle of the slide would still stand.

 

learn physics or something. its a simple law.

 

i still don't quite understand what your trying to argue? so your saying mid drift to not counter steer, and just straighten the wheel out or what?

 

This is absolutely amazing! Let's see if I can phrase it differently to help: You are sliding, if you would like to go straight again you need to do what? CORRECT the slide. Going straight means zero slide angle. Correcting a slide takes you closer to zero slide angle. Steering away from the slide (more toward the wheels pointing straight with the car) does not correct the slide and allows the car to continue to rotate until it spins. The point at which the spin actually occurs may vary, but you are pretty much gauranteed to get the car pointed 90degrees relative to its direction of travel before it spins.

Straigntening the wheel mid slide makes more angle, possibly even spinning (ultimate angle before spin).

I would appreciate it if Matt, Rob, BIll or someone who understand what I'm saying would chime in


-Sean

 

from what your saying you would have to be extrememly good with your timing in order to catch the car from spinning. it doesen't seem worth it. with the time you could spend working on your timing and reflexes to make this technique work well, you could be that much better at adjusting your angle by just using tried and true throttle control and countersteering.

 

Well I'm not trying to be confrontational about it, I just want people to analyze and realize what they are actually doing behind the wheel better. It helps a great deal when you are able to analyze your actions as youre doing them.

One of the biggest mistakes people make when they first try to drifting is to fully correct the slide. It's pretty natural to do this, especially if you have some performance driving background but little sliding experience. New drivers get the car sideways, correct fully and end up driving right out of the slide. I know I did this at first and I had to un-learn my racing slide correction and make myself correct less in order to hold the slide. Less correction is needed to hold a drift smoothly. Finding that perfect degree of correction is the hard part. The more you correct, the less angle the slide will have, the less you correct, the more angle the slide will develop.


-Sean

 

Haha, damnit now you edited you post and I have to reply to something different.

What I am describing is not some new technique <I dont really think there are different 'techniques', just varying degrees of mastery overall>. But what I am describing is the way everyone controls a car in a slide. Next time you ride with someone watch them work the wheel during a slide and see how when the car begins to lose angle, they will add throttle and/or decrease steering correction, in order to hold the angle longer. If they have enough speed, they might even grab some e-brake to push the rear end out a bit.



-Sean