please explain the difference between cusco and safety21 cages

 

the word is that safty 21 cages are just constructed beter, thus they are legal, and cusco isnt...... last i heard atleast

 

i need a cage...

booo..

all i really want is a big x in my hatch!!

that is jdm tyte yo

 

mazworx > *

cusco is rice cage

 

Which ones are exactly legal? I am hearing that the mazworx cage isn't, because the a pillar "wraps around the dash" or something like that. The autopower looks as though it's much weaker than the mazworx, but it's legal for some reason. The cusco isn't, but I can see how the safety 21 is, as it doesn't wrap around the dash, and looks as though it's more sturdy. It seems as though a custom cage is the only completely sure way that you will get a cage that is definately legal, but then again would be a bitch to take out (not saying that you ever would or anything).

I've heard that bolt in cages with backplates are just as strong as cages welded in at those same chassis mounting points. The reason that I heard that justifies this, and it makes complete sence, is that your supposed to have like (4) 3/8th inch bolts and like a 1/4' thick backing and mounting plates to sandwich the peice of sheetmetal that it's being mounted to together. If you break (4) 3/8th inch bolts on (2) plates sandwiched together then a weld at the same place will break too. I'm sure it may not stiffen as much as a weld, but I think it would hold just fine. I don't know if that's true or not, but it seems to make sence. I've heard different stories that "all bolt in cages are crap" but if that the above is true, I don't see why a bolt in would do just fine in protecting someone.

Another gripe I have is the mounting points. I've hear different stories of cages supposably not mounting in the right spots (IE the autopower's rear mount was said by some to be in the wrong place). Just stuff like that, I just wanted someone to clear that up, because I sure as hell don't know.

I just don't know *_*

ag04

 

well it depends on what youre talking about... a safety cage or a chassis stiffening cage. as far as i can tell, which is to say from a mostly uneducated view, is that mounting points and cage joints are what define a cages properties. when youre talking about stiffening cages, thats where the beef welds and multiple mounting points really comes in. also, most people argue that unless the cage extends past the rear strut towers it doesnt stiffen the chassis as much as it could. in rally cages, mounting points, supports, and welded joints are just as important for making the chassis stiff as they are for safety.

as for bolt in cages, some people say that the only way to actually achieve both stiffening and safety is to weld the balls out of it, but to weld the mounts into the right spots. cusco cages are built for showy stuff, and have all bolt in joints for convenience and removal. not just specific pieces, but the whole thing. rally cages sacrifice that convenience and go balls out and weld every joint, then add supports for those joints, and maybe some more support for those other joints. two different extremes.

 

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Here's some pics of the bolt-in Drift Roll Cage for the S13. I can also do custom cages/bars for people willing to drive to Orlando. We have a full fabrication facility and will soon be buiding a chassis jig for the people who want a full chassis race car.

 

Nevermind I got what I needed. Belay PM also. See post below....:bbb:

 

Okay...

I PMed Mazworks about a cage and asked pricing etc. Didn't realize it was on their site.

However my question was answered and I'd like to bring a few things to light.

First is Pricing.

Nissan 240sx (S13) 1989-1993 $ 1299.00

Mind you this is a BOLT IN application that ISN'T MUCH different from an $600.00 Auto Power cage. In fact when I looked in Matts car I thought it WAS an Autopower cage. The Mazworks cage is STILL built with the inconsistancies of an Autopower. (see other roll cage thread for them, I pointed them out) Why not save $600.00 and get an autopower ?????

Second:

I would like to know the difference between $600.00 and $1300.00 Please. I checked the specs on the Mazworks "drift" cage and Autopower's cage. Same material and side wall thicknesses. So why The HUGE price tag ?

Theres a place here IN tampa that builds GT spec race car chassis and they charge $1200.00 or so for a full Cromoly (I believe) Cage built to MY Specs and liking welded in, w/ a 3 day turn around time. .

Or theres your other option.. your basic bolt in cage save $700.00 and use it for something else.

The Cusco cage isnt worth it either. $1100.00 for a cage that gives you the SAME points as Mazworks or a simular to Autopower.

Just my .02. SHOP AROUND theres other deals out there.

 

You can get the mazworx cage fir $1000 at enjuku I believe. But that's this I hear people saying that the Autopower isn't "safe" because braces in the cage allow for not very much protection (IE braces are in the wrong places). What are some of the specs on the Cage from those people in Tampa? Sounds interesting,

ag04