Too stiff ???
Good point, Longfellow. tell us what the 6K and 8K translates over to in pounds..........since the Skunk2 website lists pounds instead of Kilograms.
Also, since you are the first to reply who actually has used those springs, if you had it to do again, now that you have driven a few miles, would you go harder or softer? Would you go harder on both ends, softer on both ends, or the same on both ends? and by how much?
Since different people have different driving styles, and harder/softer on one end will affect oversteer/understeer, what do you recommend?-Bob
Also, since you are the first to reply who actually has used those springs, if you had it to do again, now that you have driven a few miles, would you go harder or softer? Would you go harder on both ends, softer on both ends, or the same on both ends? and by how much?
Since different people have different driving styles, and harder/softer on one end will affect oversteer/understeer, what do you recommend?-Bob
Depends on what they want the car for, I drive an S14 with 235 bf goodrich KDW in the front and 245 stetched michellen pilot sports out back and a 4.36 F/D w/ VLSD. My car grips amazingly for only having those three main componets at the moment. I have Zero understeer, but my rear tires are on their last leg so I do get oversteer when I push to hard. The car is completly stable and extremely responsive. I can stand the stiff springs but wouldnt suggest them to people who just want to lower the car. I DD with the dampaning set to 5 out of 15.
I never done any spirited driving in a FWD car, they handle a lot differently than my car from the very limited experience I have with them. And if its a civic it more than likely weighs a few hundred pounds less than my car.
Sticky tires is a must, and 5/7k springs would be good for DD and sprited street driving. 8/6 is a little harsher but its bearable to most.
I also dont like coil-over sleeves, even on aftermarket shocks. Mostly because shock/struts not specifically for coil-overs are too long stroke for the spring travel and spring rate. You can adjust spring preload to an extent but I dont see it as being matched properly; Usually causing the ride to be bouncey and causing shitty ride quality and horrible handleing. But I know some people swear by them.
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Last edited by longfellow2; May 2, 2008 at 07:33 PM.
K dosnt mean thousand, it means kilograms. The springs are rated in kilogram/millimeter, or inch/pounds.
Some of these people just need to read a damn book, to at least get a general Idea on how this stuff works and stop asking internet forums and getting wrong answers.
Some of these people just need to read a damn book, to at least get a general Idea on how this stuff works and stop asking internet forums and getting wrong answers.
You beat me to it Dan, the fact that we still have people in this forum that continue to answer questions to which the answers allude them boggles my mind.
Google does an awesome job if you type in "8 kg/mm to lbs/in" you will see that an 8kg spring is just shy of 448 lb/in around 3 times the typical imported sedan rate.
As for comfort it's subjective, I like a stiff car, but an under-damped stiff car to me is much worse on the street then an over-damped softer sprung car.
and please so we are all on the same page "Damping"
Damping - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
is not the same as "dampening" which is the act of making something wet.
I may want to use both in some post and I don't want to confuse anyone.
Spelling owns me. I forgot to mention in the post above Im running KTS coil-overs with a 8/6 spring rate.
So Vargas,
Did the converting of Kilograms into pounds help with the info that you asked for, as far as comparing pounds to pounds?
While everyone has their own opinion, as to what their comfort/tolerance level is, maybe the next step would be to ride with some of the posters and see if the ride comfort in their car is close to what you find acceptable for your own car.......that will tell you if you have the same preferences, or want to go stiffer or softer.....
It will also give you an idea as to whether the handling is what you are looking for, or if you prefer something different as to over/understeer........-Bob
Did the converting of Kilograms into pounds help with the info that you asked for, as far as comparing pounds to pounds?
While everyone has their own opinion, as to what their comfort/tolerance level is, maybe the next step would be to ride with some of the posters and see if the ride comfort in their car is close to what you find acceptable for your own car.......that will tell you if you have the same preferences, or want to go stiffer or softer.....
It will also give you an idea as to whether the handling is what you are looking for, or if you prefer something different as to over/understeer........-Bob
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^yea it helped some, i have decided to not go with the stiffer skunk2 setup and instead get Ground Control coilovers which are not as stiff , with Tokico "blue" shocks.
the Ground control 's spring rates are :
Front - 6.25k (350 in/lb)
Rear - 4.5k (250 in/lb)
which is pretty much the closest to stock rates that i could find.
i have also decided to do the rest of my suspension and would like to see what you guys think:
GC coilovers and tokico "blue" shocks
ASR rear subframe brace and 24mm swaybar
skunk2 LCA's and Beaks lower arm bar
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the Ground control 's spring rates are :
Front - 6.25k (350 in/lb)
Rear - 4.5k (250 in/lb)
which is pretty much the closest to stock rates that i could find.
i have also decided to do the rest of my suspension and would like to see what you guys think:
GC coilovers and tokico "blue" shocks
ASR rear subframe brace and 24mm swaybar
skunk2 LCA's and Beaks lower arm bar
K dosnt mean thousand, it means kilograms. The springs are rated in kilogram/millimeter, or inch/pounds.
So that should solve that problem.
And stiffer springs will do nothing unless matched properly to the correctly dampened shock. Everything has to be balanced.
The reason coil-overs are so popular and in fact give you amazing mechanical grip over springs and shocks is they are:
1 have stiffer springs rates so the car dosnt have as much lateral motion giving you more control
2 the shock portion is alot shorter stroke
3 you can adjust them to your liking if you bought a decent set through spring preload, dampening, rebound, ride height ect ect.
4 you can buy multiple springs with different rates and have fun playing around.
Some of these people just need to read a damn book, to atleast get a general Idea on how this stuff works and stop asking internet forums and getting wrong answers.
So that should solve that problem.
And stiffer springs will do nothing unless matched properly to the correctly dampened shock. Everything has to be balanced.
The reason coil-overs are so popular and in fact give you amazing mechanical grip over springs and shocks is they are:
1 have stiffer springs rates so the car dosnt have as much lateral motion giving you more control
2 the shock portion is alot shorter stroke
3 you can adjust them to your liking if you bought a decent set through spring preload, dampening, rebound, ride height ect ect.
4 you can buy multiple springs with different rates and have fun playing around.
Some of these people just need to read a damn book, to atleast get a general Idea on how this stuff works and stop asking internet forums and getting wrong answers.
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