No, your analogy is like comparing apples to oranges: Nascar only goes around in circles (with the exception of a few road tracks), whilst F1 cars don't really ever do circular tracks. The technology gap between F1 and Nascar is astronomical. A steering wheel in F1 costs $10,000, while in Nascar, it probably costs a couple hundred at most. Any who, this is a tangent.

The fact is is that going from WSBK to Moto GP is a minor gap when comparing the factors of technology, speeds, and "closeness" of racing. The two are more like comparing the IRL (or ALMS) to F1 and AMA to Moto GP 250 or something like that. The WSBK bikes and the Moto GP bikes both make around 220bhp (Armchair Bike Fan: MotoGP versus World Superbike) and they only differ by approximately 8% in weight. With all that said, I'm just trying to say that they are fairly close performance/tech/closeness of racing wise.

Which takes me to why I prefer WSBK to Moto GP:
- I've seen most of the riders be more "down to earth".
- I like the fact that you can purchase a bike from a showroom and Mod it to be like a WSBK bike (not that I would).
- I enjoy watching the rookies come up from AMA and go on to win in WSBK.
- I usually prefer the looks of the WSBK bikes more than the Moto GP bikes.

I will say that part of your analogy is true: the part where some people say "Nascar owns F1", like I prefer WSBK over Moto GP.


Summary of this article (Armchair Bike Fan: MotoGP versus World Superbike):
"MotoGP is a full-on, no expense spared prototype category. It attracts the best riders in the world, and is often seen as self-absorbed and highly pressurized. The bikes are small and light, the engines are high-tech and powerful, as are the brakes. Unfortunately, the current regulations made for dull racing last season, with MotoGP snobs wailing about any attempt to improve the spectacle.

WSBK uses highly-modified road bikes, with the rules leading to very similar performance from many bikes and therefore close racing. Many of the riders are either young MotoGP wannabes or burned out ex-MotoGP riders. The bikes are heavier and lower tech than MotoGP prototypes. The one tyre rule is now reckoned to have been a masterstroke, though it was criticized when first introduced. Superpole qualifying and two races per meeting are used as ways to improve the spectacle for fans. WSBK is generally considered to have a more friendly atmosphere than the high-pressure world of MotoGP, and usually provides more entertainment despite being less prestigious."

 

blah blah blah blah.. you watch wsbk because it puts on a better show than motogp. just like nascar is about the show more than the racing.


stop trying to make it something its not. you don't have to stop waching, I watch too. just understand what your watching and why you like it. I have no issue with people watching nascar or any racing for the show, hell I enjoy drifting and that's the show taken to another level. but know its not really what racing is.

 

jesus guys, i didnt read all of it but the commentators announced during the Misano round of MotoGP last Sunday that Spies is signed on with Yamaha for 2 more years, they just don't know which Yamaha and which class yet :/

 

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Its funny how the original post was just about a Ben Spies skit and now it has turned into a full on MotoGP WSBK discussion. I like it tho so keep it up. Finally a thread worth posting in.

Kairojya, I tried repping u on this, but it keeps saying to pass the love around first. What ever the hell that means.

 

Yeah I know we'll disagree on the whole, but that bit I quoted there is just not true at all... A bit of a stretch.

J-Lo, Rossi, Pedrosa & Stoner are indeed in a league of their own. The thing to notice here is that they are all on #1 seat Factory rides in which development is wrapped around them.

These 4 guys I would expect to be able to go to WSBK and win races. Colin is a 2-time WSBK champ, and he did it when there were less restrictions in the league and beaten non-other than Haga and Bayliss to the title. Yet can't seem to win a race in GP... I've already said there are very little chances of that unless you are in one of those top seats.

So by your acct, Max Biaggi, Makoto Tamada & Fonsi Nieto (all race winning GP riders) should be trouncing the WSBK field. Max did ok on the Suzuki, and won a few races on the Sterilgarda Ducati, and has made the Podium on the Aprilia, but since the Suzuki has fallen short of winning the WSBK title. Tamada & Nieto are looking worse than the washed outs as you refer to them...

IMO, aside from the top 4 GP riders, Maybe Loris Capirossi can manage a few WSBK wins.Vermuelen, Toseland, Hayden & Colin for sure as they have won titles in SBKS. But the rest would be pure speculation... Maybe Dovizioso, Melandri as well... but I just think, the likes of DePuniet (would crash more often than not.), Cannepa, Kallio, DeAngelis, Elias wouldn't make a good transition as they have yet to prove they can take it to Rossi like Biaggi managed on the Yamaha in GP. The thing to note is that Biaggi has not dominated in WSBK since he left the Suzuki squad.

 

As Marco Melandri said, "they are aliens".


No worries, u can't rep the same person back to back, u gotta rep like 10 others or something in between.

 

I still disagree.. Biaggi never took anything to rossi. if he did or could the top teams would be beating down his door throwing millions at him. they are not.

edwards is great to prove my point. he's not a winner. he could be on any bike in the field and not beat rossi. he's not that guy, atleast not at this point. I didn't watch him when he first came in. but wasn't he rossi's teammate at one point on the factory bike and couldn't get it done? he's the guy that backs off and settles for 2nd place and brings it home.(that guy can win in wsbk, he can not in gp) I think a bad start is his trademark move. the fast young guys don't do that and you don't beat the best to be the best without risking it all and not crashing. either not risking the crash, or risking it and crashing like say yourgay and peewee doesn't cut it either.( this is why I put hadyen above edwards, he will push for the win) in my book rossi can do both. spies looks like he can in wsbk, but i doubt it will transfer over to gp since he's been riding the wheels off spec bikes instead of building protypes up, its a learned skill. unless he gets a chance to ride on the bike rossi built like yourgay has. but rossi is pissed about that and will be gone to duc by the time spies gets there.


I know you have been watching bike racing longer than I have, but I still see motogp as I see F1. if you are a great driver, you will end up in a great team and stay there till a better driver is found. which they will find because that's how they stay at the top. I don't see anyone is wsbk as having a chance to beat the best in motogp or they would be in motogp in a year or 2. spies is my case in point. yami thinks he has a chance, so he will be there and it only took a few races in wsbk for them to figure it out. do you not think the same would happen to any other fast rider?


you keep bring up that only 3 maybe 4 seats in motogp can win, but your missing the part that the guys who's job it is to fill those seats would kill their own mothers to fill those seats with the best riders they can. do you not agree?

the only down side I've seen over the years in F1 is drivers I thought could make it, don't because you only have a season or so to get it done or your out on your ass. seabass being the latest that I hated to watch. tons of reason why he was great and own titles else where but couldn't put it together so he made it a season and a half and was out for a 17year old kid from F2 that 3 races in is adv 7 spots better, so it was a right move. while seabass has won already in other races where he's found rides, supergt and stuff like that. but it sure has hell doesn't mean the talant is better there lol.


I think motogp is the same way, that's why you see the silly season stuff every year. top teams battling for top drivers.


either way I'm sure you know the point I was making 3 posts ago lol. so I'll stop now since I'm sure no one agrees with me haha

hope spies wins this year.. but he needs to stop winning poles, its a better show when he has to start in the pack somewhere.

 

just to add, I threw out 15 randomlly but you came up with 11 off the top of your head, so you see my point.



Toseland is another good one, he won in wsbk, but put him on the same bike as edwards that isn't a winner and he's out to lunch and about to loose his ride. if he would have shown himself as a winner, but making a good showing by beating his teammate he could very well have moved into rossi's seat when he moves to duc, or jlo leaves next year. because one of them is happening.




no by my account if any of them could win races in gp right now, they would be there doing it. but no one that matters think they can, so they are in wsbk.

 

i dont really give a shit, i just wanna watch some motorcycle race