Stupid Kids Cant Drive
Driver of BMW in fatal crash sought Web advice on making it go faster
BY RICK CUNDIFF
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(Updated at 1:30 p.m.) OCALA - Less than 12 hours before he died, Joshua Ammirato was posting messages on an Internet message board seeking advice about how to drive his 2008 BMW M5 faster.
Ammirato, 18, logged onto M5board.com Thursday and Friday, asking other M5 drivers how to shift smoother in the 500-horsepower machine.
"The problem is when I'm going pedal to the metal pushing 140 and upshifting, there tends to be thud noise with the gear change," he wrote in one post.
Ammirato and four other young Marion County men were killed at about 3:45 a.m. Saturday, when the BMW M5 he was driving sailed off the end of the Greystone airstrip in Anthony and crashed into a tree.
Messages on the board devoted to M5 enthusiasts show Ammirato logged on shortly before 10 p.m. Thursday as "AmericanM5."
"Let me say I am beginner when it comes to high performance cars as I am only 18 so take it easy on me," he wrote.
Other members of the board expressed skepticism that Ammirato could have a car with a base price of $82,900 at such a young age, but warned him to take it easy until he gained more driving experience.
"Maybe your 2 years driving experience in your whole life is the problem," one member wrote.
"The fact that I never drove a manual car before may be true, but I've been driving for a lot longer than two years buddy," Ammirato responded.
Ammirato's M5, according to his posts, was equipped with a "sequential manual gearbox," which shifts like a traditional manual transmission, but without a clutch pedal.
Automobile Magazine has described the M5 as "a fearfully intimidating machine," with writer Michael Jordan adding "we've found that the SMG transmission ... makes you feel like a victim of speed, not its master."
Ammirato told forum members he'd had the car for about three weeks. The vehicle is registered to his father, Santo Ammirato, according to the Florida Highway Patrol.
In his posts, Joshua Ammirato listed his other cars as a 2008 BMW 535i, a 2007 BMW 335i and a 2007 Cadillac Escalade. All have less horsepower than the M5.
News of Ammirato's death drew condolences from forum members on Saturday and Sunday.
"My prayers are with Josh and his family as well. Being that I am 21 and going on my second M5 I know the temptation is great and sometimes hard to handle at that age," one member wrote. "This is a very serious car with extraordinary performance, i have learned to respect it because there is a VERY, VERY thin line between losing it and keeping it on the road."
Another hoped others would learn from the tragedy.
"Truly a sad, sad event. May God be with the families and friends," the poster wrote. "Hope that they have not died completely in vain -- that many young drivers (and their parents) will take this to heart and learn from it."
Ammirato asked forum members on Friday about turning off the M5's electronic stability control for higher performance. A member wrote back with concern.
"With all (due) respect, gradually learn your car before you turn off (stability control)," he wrote. "With a little mistake combination of your mind and your right foot, you can be history. Be safe and enjoy.
"P.S. People on this board care about each other, especially when someone owns 500 hp car at age of 18. Don't take it personal. We all watch each other(s) back."
Another member expressed concern about Ammirato's maturity.
"[I]t's just disturbing to know, if you're for real, that an 18 year old who is asking these questions about a 500hp car is driving the same streets I am. I don't have anything against young guys driving nice cars, but an 18 year old behind the wheel of an M5 is what accidents are made of," he wrote.
Ammirato responded at 5:33 p.m. Friday that he was responsible.
"I completely understand where you are coming from assuming that I am irresponsible ... that is definitely understandable. I do sometimes make bad decisions but I am young and I do drive safe and I will not endanger the lives of others."
A member from Australia again cautioned Ammirato to be careful.
"My only bit of advice matey -- If you crash in a big way expect to be on the news," he wrote. "Enjoy and resist the temptation to drag others at the lights."
Ammirato responded, in his last post, at 9:02 p.m. Friday.
"Thanks guys, don't get me wrong I never said I didn't respect your wisdom," he wrote. "[T]hanks for the welcome and I am looking forward to getting to know you guys better ... Josh."
Im so glad that this scum bag and his friends are dead and off the road. Finally its not a bike that did something stupid I dont really mean that first line but do you guys see how we dont go out and look for bad stories about idiots in cars. Yet all the assholes on here come to BIKE TECH to tell us what assholes we are.
BY RICK CUNDIFF
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(Updated at 1:30 p.m.) OCALA - Less than 12 hours before he died, Joshua Ammirato was posting messages on an Internet message board seeking advice about how to drive his 2008 BMW M5 faster.
Ammirato, 18, logged onto M5board.com Thursday and Friday, asking other M5 drivers how to shift smoother in the 500-horsepower machine.
"The problem is when I'm going pedal to the metal pushing 140 and upshifting, there tends to be thud noise with the gear change," he wrote in one post.
Ammirato and four other young Marion County men were killed at about 3:45 a.m. Saturday, when the BMW M5 he was driving sailed off the end of the Greystone airstrip in Anthony and crashed into a tree.
Messages on the board devoted to M5 enthusiasts show Ammirato logged on shortly before 10 p.m. Thursday as "AmericanM5."
"Let me say I am beginner when it comes to high performance cars as I am only 18 so take it easy on me," he wrote.
Other members of the board expressed skepticism that Ammirato could have a car with a base price of $82,900 at such a young age, but warned him to take it easy until he gained more driving experience.
"Maybe your 2 years driving experience in your whole life is the problem," one member wrote.
"The fact that I never drove a manual car before may be true, but I've been driving for a lot longer than two years buddy," Ammirato responded.
Ammirato's M5, according to his posts, was equipped with a "sequential manual gearbox," which shifts like a traditional manual transmission, but without a clutch pedal.
Automobile Magazine has described the M5 as "a fearfully intimidating machine," with writer Michael Jordan adding "we've found that the SMG transmission ... makes you feel like a victim of speed, not its master."
Ammirato told forum members he'd had the car for about three weeks. The vehicle is registered to his father, Santo Ammirato, according to the Florida Highway Patrol.
In his posts, Joshua Ammirato listed his other cars as a 2008 BMW 535i, a 2007 BMW 335i and a 2007 Cadillac Escalade. All have less horsepower than the M5.
News of Ammirato's death drew condolences from forum members on Saturday and Sunday.
"My prayers are with Josh and his family as well. Being that I am 21 and going on my second M5 I know the temptation is great and sometimes hard to handle at that age," one member wrote. "This is a very serious car with extraordinary performance, i have learned to respect it because there is a VERY, VERY thin line between losing it and keeping it on the road."
Another hoped others would learn from the tragedy.
"Truly a sad, sad event. May God be with the families and friends," the poster wrote. "Hope that they have not died completely in vain -- that many young drivers (and their parents) will take this to heart and learn from it."
Ammirato asked forum members on Friday about turning off the M5's electronic stability control for higher performance. A member wrote back with concern.
"With all (due) respect, gradually learn your car before you turn off (stability control)," he wrote. "With a little mistake combination of your mind and your right foot, you can be history. Be safe and enjoy.
"P.S. People on this board care about each other, especially when someone owns 500 hp car at age of 18. Don't take it personal. We all watch each other(s) back."
Another member expressed concern about Ammirato's maturity.
"[I]t's just disturbing to know, if you're for real, that an 18 year old who is asking these questions about a 500hp car is driving the same streets I am. I don't have anything against young guys driving nice cars, but an 18 year old behind the wheel of an M5 is what accidents are made of," he wrote.
Ammirato responded at 5:33 p.m. Friday that he was responsible.
"I completely understand where you are coming from assuming that I am irresponsible ... that is definitely understandable. I do sometimes make bad decisions but I am young and I do drive safe and I will not endanger the lives of others."
A member from Australia again cautioned Ammirato to be careful.
"My only bit of advice matey -- If you crash in a big way expect to be on the news," he wrote. "Enjoy and resist the temptation to drag others at the lights."
Ammirato responded, in his last post, at 9:02 p.m. Friday.
"Thanks guys, don't get me wrong I never said I didn't respect your wisdom," he wrote. "[T]hanks for the welcome and I am looking forward to getting to know you guys better ... Josh."
Im so glad that this scum bag and his friends are dead and off the road. Finally its not a bike that did something stupid I dont really mean that first line but do you guys see how we dont go out and look for bad stories about idiots in cars. Yet all the assholes on here come to BIKE TECH to tell us what assholes we are.
people make mistakes.. its all across the board. everyone just ride within YOUR OWN LIMITS.
PUSH THE LIMITS IN SAFE CONDITIONS WHERE ONLY YOU ARE GOING TO EAT IT IF YOU FUCK UP.
Edit: AKA NOT KILLING 4 OF YOUR FRIENDS IN DADDYS CAR WITH YOU.
PUSH THE LIMITS IN SAFE CONDITIONS WHERE ONLY YOU ARE GOING TO EAT IT IF YOU FUCK UP.
Edit: AKA NOT KILLING 4 OF YOUR FRIENDS IN DADDYS CAR WITH YOU.
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who the fuck lets thier kid drive a 500 horsepower car that he can't dive in the fist place unsupervised with four of his punks ass friends in tow, i bet egging him on. If i had been on his forum i would have been collecting bets on how many days he would last.
neither he or his passengers get any simpathy from me. and the family only get my simpathy if they didn't know there kids were in this car with such an inexperienced driver.
i think it is ultimately the fathers fault. its just dumb to give such a powerful and unstable car to your child.
everyone involved with this decided to juggle the grenades instead of just letting them be...
neither he or his passengers get any simpathy from me. and the family only get my simpathy if they didn't know there kids were in this car with such an inexperienced driver.
i think it is ultimately the fathers fault. its just dumb to give such a powerful and unstable car to your child.
everyone involved with this decided to juggle the grenades instead of just letting them be...
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Originaly posted by: ?
And despite common misconception, performing a wheelie to be more visible while passing a vehicle isn't the best practice in the DMV's mind.
And despite common misconception, performing a wheelie to be more visible while passing a vehicle isn't the best practice in the DMV's mind.
Im sorry Emerehh but your statement is a little whack....
Yes everyone makes mistakes but what this piece of shit did was by no means a "mistake"....
HOW IN THE FUCK DID HE GET ONTO AN AIRPORT RUNWAY TO BEGIN WITH
Im so sick of hearing shit like this, fucking asshole took 4 other kids lives with him, sad thing is you KNOW they were all a whoopin and a hollerin....
Reports say he hit an embankment when the airstrip ended and flew 200+ feet before splitting the car in half aginst a tree...This is no mistake but pure stupidity. a "mistake" is getting a drunk college whore preggo".....THATS a mistake
<------ no remorse from this guy.
And further more his dad should take some blame....i wish my daddy bought ME a 2008 shelby GT500..... fucking ungrateful little rich kid....im just glad he killed himself at an airport and didnt take any innocent people or children with him other then the 4 in the car
Yes everyone makes mistakes but what this piece of shit did was by no means a "mistake"....
HOW IN THE FUCK DID HE GET ONTO AN AIRPORT RUNWAY TO BEGIN WITH

Im so sick of hearing shit like this, fucking asshole took 4 other kids lives with him, sad thing is you KNOW they were all a whoopin and a hollerin....
Reports say he hit an embankment when the airstrip ended and flew 200+ feet before splitting the car in half aginst a tree...This is no mistake but pure stupidity. a "mistake" is getting a drunk college whore preggo".....THATS a mistake
<------ no remorse from this guy.
And further more his dad should take some blame....i wish my daddy bought ME a 2008 shelby GT500..... fucking ungrateful little rich kid....im just glad he killed himself at an airport and didnt take any innocent people or children with him other then the 4 in the car
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Last edited by mustangman70; Jan 29, 2008 at 02:23 PM.
IIRC its ones of the fly-in communities.
He probably went out onto the runway behind his house...easy as that.
But yeah, no remorse from me either. Fucking rich little bastard kid with nothing better to do.
He probably went out onto the runway behind his house...easy as that.
But yeah, no remorse from me either. Fucking rich little bastard kid with nothing better to do.
he wasnt being a little rich punk out on the streets.. he went to an airport runway to go do some top end runs, obviously he made a mistake and forgot to brake or whatever the fuck happened and him and all his friends died. it sucks, RIP but atleast he wasnt doing it with all his friends egging him on going down I4 or something.
and usually when youre driving in an m5 you can access places that most people in ford mustangs cannot, possibly a private neighborhood with an airport in it. just taking a shot into the dark with that one though.
and my statement stands, i love pushing the limits in any sort of extreme sport but its all done in an environment where only I am the one getting hurt should something go wrong, and believe me.. ive had my fair share of getting fucked up doing bmx, skateboarding, riding my gix/kawasaki ECT ECT
and usually when youre driving in an m5 you can access places that most people in ford mustangs cannot, possibly a private neighborhood with an airport in it. just taking a shot into the dark with that one though.
and my statement stands, i love pushing the limits in any sort of extreme sport but its all done in an environment where only I am the one getting hurt should something go wrong, and believe me.. ive had my fair share of getting fucked up doing bmx, skateboarding, riding my gix/kawasaki ECT ECT
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