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The thing about today's cars is that safety features cause them to grow, which causes the weight to grow. I mean smaller tires give a better mpg and most cars are stock with 17" and up rims? And then the options kick in. I really like the G8 GXP and the options are nice but how much weight have those options added to that car? Even Ford with their commercials go on and on about their options. Options sell. MPG not so much.
I agree with Loren about the HP and Americans and especially those of us who are aware of torque. My cars do not have the torque larger cars have but I love it the same because my gas mileage is higher than those other cars.
I instructed in the Prius and Lexus at the BMW CCC event and the Lexus I couldn't even tell was a hybrid but the Prius I could tell and thought the car was a fun drive. The whole battery thing has me looking forward to a diesel engine from Honda if the US will ever buy into them. I guess we need gas prices above $5 to get there.
I would personally love to have more mpg so yes I would be interested in restoring a 1st Gen CRX. Do I want to hear how I will get killed by the newer heavier cars on the road today, no. But that is the reality. To be safe we have to be big.
Gee where does that thoery stem from?
I agree with Loren about the HP and Americans and especially those of us who are aware of torque. My cars do not have the torque larger cars have but I love it the same because my gas mileage is higher than those other cars.
I instructed in the Prius and Lexus at the BMW CCC event and the Lexus I couldn't even tell was a hybrid but the Prius I could tell and thought the car was a fun drive. The whole battery thing has me looking forward to a diesel engine from Honda if the US will ever buy into them. I guess we need gas prices above $5 to get there.
I would personally love to have more mpg so yes I would be interested in restoring a 1st Gen CRX. Do I want to hear how I will get killed by the newer heavier cars on the road today, no. But that is the reality. To be safe we have to be big.
Gee where does that thoery stem from?
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I see people out there spending money on the car to improve it … If you spend half that effort just working on your driving skills, making you and the car work together as a team, then you’ll go faster – period. To make the car go a second faster on the track takes a lot more energy and money than making yourself drive it one second faster.
– the late Tom Thrash SCCA Solo E Production
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Its possible to strike a balance between performance and being both economical and green.
My slightly modded volvo will put out about 300 HP and 300 lbs of torque to the ground starting at about 2500 RPMs right up to redline. That and AWD allows it to stomp on a lot of non-economical performance cars.
Thanks to variable cam timing and using a turbo to squeeze out that extra power, not to mention its still got its cats and all other emissions goodies, I'm clean enough to pass emission testing in california and even with my lead foot I average about 20 MPG in town and about 28 on the highway.
If I could ever obey the speed limit I could get even better mileage since it gets about 32 MPG between 65 and 70 MPH.
As one poster above pointed out, we all could do a lot of good for the environment by keeping and fixing up our old cars. A lot of energy and materials go into just making a car. At sometime in the past I remember reading something like it takes over a ton of fuel or more just to make a car.
Life is all about balance, got to have some fun in the here and now while doing a little intelligent planning for the future as well.
My slightly modded volvo will put out about 300 HP and 300 lbs of torque to the ground starting at about 2500 RPMs right up to redline. That and AWD allows it to stomp on a lot of non-economical performance cars.
Thanks to variable cam timing and using a turbo to squeeze out that extra power, not to mention its still got its cats and all other emissions goodies, I'm clean enough to pass emission testing in california and even with my lead foot I average about 20 MPG in town and about 28 on the highway.
If I could ever obey the speed limit I could get even better mileage since it gets about 32 MPG between 65 and 70 MPH.
As one poster above pointed out, we all could do a lot of good for the environment by keeping and fixing up our old cars. A lot of energy and materials go into just making a car. At sometime in the past I remember reading something like it takes over a ton of fuel or more just to make a car.
Life is all about balance, got to have some fun in the here and now while doing a little intelligent planning for the future as well.
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2004 S60R - 350+ HP, AWD, Custom FMIC & Exhaust, Active Suspension & A Big Set Of Brembos
2004 S60R - 350+ HP, AWD, Custom FMIC & Exhaust, Active Suspension & A Big Set Of Brembos
Crazy Camber, Stretch & Poke; its the new triple-stack-bleacher-wing ricer fad that's all the rage nowadays, lol
