Competitive Cars in Autocross
THE HAMMER
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 5,184
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by PseudoRealityX
You said "COMPETITIVE". That limits the choices greatly. If you want a fun coupe in your price range, that's a different ballgame, but you said competitive. There are only 9 stock classes. And within each of those, there's only usually at most 2-3 cars that are really competitive. And then you further narrowed it down with it having to be in a certain price range (byebye SS), non-convertible (byebye AS, CS, ES), RWD (byebye HS, GS), and less than 4 years old(byebye BS). You're only 2 choices are DS and FS, and those I gave the top cars in each of those classes that coincide with your criteria.
If you don't like the choices, maybe then you should post in the general chat section.
If you don't like the choices, maybe then you should post in the general chat section.
__________________
I dont feel like a sig today.
I dont feel like a sig today.
plain old member
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 31
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by PseudoRealityX
You said "COMPETITIVE". and less than 4 years old(byebye BS).
__________________
Brian Hollands
69 Datsun 2000
Now officially a Real Estate Agent.
www.C21Beggins.com - Buy, Sell, Invest!
Brian Hollands
69 Datsun 2000
Now officially a Real Estate Agent.
www.C21Beggins.com - Buy, Sell, Invest!
towards antisocial
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 5,109
Likes: 0
E46 300Ci
Lexus IS300
Mustang (Bullit or Mach1 being the better choices)
Camaro
Lexus IS300
Mustang (Bullit or Mach1 being the better choices)
Camaro
OUCH!!!
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 3,441
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by blueboost
350Z has as much potential as any of those cars IMO. I wouldn't want the stang or camaro. IS300 is nice, and I could spank a 330Ci with my specV if they'd allow me to
Your specV is FWD. It doesn't meet the original requirements.
towards antisocial
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 5,109
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by Leonard
The 350Z is underpowered for it's weight.
Your specV is FWD. It doesn't meet the original requirements.
Your specV is FWD. It doesn't meet the original requirements.
I was teasing Pseudo, he's obviously a BMW fan
A little tuning to the Z would go a long way (I agree its underpowered a bit), would he still be able to stay in the same class?
towards antisocial
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 5,109
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by Leonard
A little tuning and you're not in stock classes anymore. It's more than a bit underpowered.
The Z has more HP then the 330Ci (235 hp) and the IS300 (215 hp) which were his other choices, so I'm not following your train of thought.
Thread Starter
I Heart 2nd Gear Racing
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 140
Likes: 0
Okay, with no conditions, not $ or RWD, convertible or otherwise ... What cars are considered the most competitive in their class? ... Just for discussion's sake.
w0rd: The Australian Camaro is intriguing. I drove one at the Autoshow in Motion last year, and I was more impressed and surprised by it than any car there.
blueboost: Yes, I'm afraid I mark out to Nissan as well. I had a '94 Pathfinder that I beat up for 8 years and 160,000 miles with zero problems. Best vehicle I've ever owned. If Nissan had worked on the interior and the suspension of the Altima 3.5SE, I'd have one of those in my garage instead of my 6, but alas, they did that the following year <sigh>.
As for modifying the 350z (or whichever car I buy), I guess that's a possibility, but being that I'm a substandard driver, I'm not convinced I could take advantage of any aftermarket items, let alone the Z itself. One could argue that I should keep my 6, and learn how to drive better with it - improve the driver not the car, so the old saying goes. However, it seems to me that learning how to drive in a decent performance car is a better idea - or if nothing else, a funner idea.
w0rd: The Australian Camaro is intriguing. I drove one at the Autoshow in Motion last year, and I was more impressed and surprised by it than any car there.
blueboost: Yes, I'm afraid I mark out to Nissan as well. I had a '94 Pathfinder that I beat up for 8 years and 160,000 miles with zero problems. Best vehicle I've ever owned. If Nissan had worked on the interior and the suspension of the Altima 3.5SE, I'd have one of those in my garage instead of my 6, but alas, they did that the following year <sigh>.
As for modifying the 350z (or whichever car I buy), I guess that's a possibility, but being that I'm a substandard driver, I'm not convinced I could take advantage of any aftermarket items, let alone the Z itself. One could argue that I should keep my 6, and learn how to drive better with it - improve the driver not the car, so the old saying goes. However, it seems to me that learning how to drive in a decent performance car is a better idea - or if nothing else, a funner idea.
F K D
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 0
Likes: 0
Stock:
SS-Porsche GT3 & C5 Corvette Z06. It remains to be seen which will prevail.
AS-C4 'Vette, Boxster-S, S-2000, E46 M3 CSL (and maybe an Evo or Sti on a slick and/or wet surface).
BS-RX-8, 944 S2, 968, Mr2T, E36M3.
CS-'99 Miata Sport Pack., Mr2S w/LSD
DS- ITR, 330, IS300
ES- Mr2 n/a, '94 Miata w/right options (ask Jesse for specifics)
FS- Mach1, Bullit (the new GT may have potential)
GS- '05 Mini-S, current Celica GT, '05 RSX-S
HS- Mini, Audi 90
Competitive where is the biggest question? If you just want to win your class locally than H-Stock is wide open - buy a Mini and try to butch it up a bit, huh..
I've read through this thread and just want to say that the Z is a poor choice as an autocrosser. Yes, you can mod it and end up in B Street Prepared where it'll still get smoked by the C4 'Vette (and probably the S2000 too). The Z isn't that competitive and once you graduate to race rubber it'll requite a hitch and trailer. It eats up front tires due to the lack of available front negative camber and the insurance rates are high.
SS is out, based on price.
In AS the S2000 and '04 (back) Boxster-S will only be competitive with a top level driver. The C4 will dominate at most venues but it's too old for you.
Then there's BS. Under your origional parameters I'd say you'd be o.k. in a RX-8. If you can stand the rotary racket and the hurrendous gas mileage they'll be a competitive B-Stock car and once your driving is up to snuff there are many aftermarket parts available to make it faster under stock rules (double adjustable dampers, adjustable front sway bars, and titanium exhausts). You can put a set of wheels in the back seat and still have an entire trunk left over (+carry a passenger). You can find one in the low 20's and still finance it for 60-72 mos. Insurance isn't too bad since it's a 2+2 and a 1.3L.
Skip CS if you're not into convertibles or Miata's.
DS, well ITR's (especially unmodded and abused) are few & far between. The IS300 & 300 would be great daily drivers and still are plenty fast on the autocross course...
FS, get a new Mustang GT for 24ish and be one of the only guys around with one. I think it'll be a good FS car but I hear there may be a 1/2" wider wheel on it for '06.
_
_
_
_
_
_
SS-Porsche GT3 & C5 Corvette Z06. It remains to be seen which will prevail.
AS-C4 'Vette, Boxster-S, S-2000, E46 M3 CSL (and maybe an Evo or Sti on a slick and/or wet surface).
BS-RX-8, 944 S2, 968, Mr2T, E36M3.
CS-'99 Miata Sport Pack., Mr2S w/LSD
DS- ITR, 330, IS300
ES- Mr2 n/a, '94 Miata w/right options (ask Jesse for specifics)
FS- Mach1, Bullit (the new GT may have potential)
GS- '05 Mini-S, current Celica GT, '05 RSX-S
HS- Mini, Audi 90
Competitive where is the biggest question? If you just want to win your class locally than H-Stock is wide open - buy a Mini and try to butch it up a bit, huh..
I've read through this thread and just want to say that the Z is a poor choice as an autocrosser. Yes, you can mod it and end up in B Street Prepared where it'll still get smoked by the C4 'Vette (and probably the S2000 too). The Z isn't that competitive and once you graduate to race rubber it'll requite a hitch and trailer. It eats up front tires due to the lack of available front negative camber and the insurance rates are high.
SS is out, based on price.
In AS the S2000 and '04 (back) Boxster-S will only be competitive with a top level driver. The C4 will dominate at most venues but it's too old for you.
Then there's BS. Under your origional parameters I'd say you'd be o.k. in a RX-8. If you can stand the rotary racket and the hurrendous gas mileage they'll be a competitive B-Stock car and once your driving is up to snuff there are many aftermarket parts available to make it faster under stock rules (double adjustable dampers, adjustable front sway bars, and titanium exhausts). You can put a set of wheels in the back seat and still have an entire trunk left over (+carry a passenger). You can find one in the low 20's and still finance it for 60-72 mos. Insurance isn't too bad since it's a 2+2 and a 1.3L.
Skip CS if you're not into convertibles or Miata's.
DS, well ITR's (especially unmodded and abused) are few & far between. The IS300 & 300 would be great daily drivers and still are plenty fast on the autocross course...
FS, get a new Mustang GT for 24ish and be one of the only guys around with one. I think it'll be a good FS car but I hear there may be a 1/2" wider wheel on it for '06.
_
_
_
_
_
_
__________________
T.Morrow
T.Morrow
