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Old Sep 6, 2007 | 09:30 PM
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Factory speakers are horrible. Almost all factory speakers are made of paper even bose. Go with Polk. They carry a decent amount of bass and have a tighter sound or Eclipse, really awesome speakers but you'll only get there full potential out of an Eclipse amp
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That's what I was thinking..
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Old Sep 8, 2007 | 08:19 AM
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well, since you guys have gone through 5 years of mechanical, physical, and electrical engineering and have millions of dollars available for research and equipment, have been developing automotive equipment for 50 years, you definitely know better than a stupid automotive manufacturing plant that produce vehicles that can be used and abused daily and still last for decades.

Seriously, you might be able to pump 4000 watts through an aftermarket speaker, but its 4000 watts of garbage sound that isnt even close to replicating the original signal.
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Old Sep 10, 2007 | 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by NoTLaDStyle
well, since you guys have gone through 5 years of mechanical, physical, and electrical engineering and have millions of dollars available for research and equipment, have been developing automotive equipment for 50 years, you definitely know better than a stupid automotive manufacturing plant that produce vehicles that can be used and abused daily and still last for decades.

Seriously, you might be able to pump 4000 watts through an aftermarket speaker, but its 4000 watts of garbage sound that isnt even close to replicating the original signal.
No need to be a douche - just confused on this. I have factory speakers in a vehicle that sound like shit. No mid or low range. I want to increase volume and precision of the sound - so I choose to upgrade my headunit and speakers and add an aftermarket amp with crossover - but you tell me that keeping factory speakers will net a superior sound?

Everything I've ever known, learned, or experienced in car audio is now thrown out the window?
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Old Sep 10, 2007 | 08:20 AM
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accuracy. Not boomy bass or incredibly eminence sounding, OEM speakers will produce more accurate sound.

Didn't you ever wonder why an $800 Bose sound system uses paper cone speakers? They really aren't that stupid. Most poly-plastic based cones are too heavy to maintain accurate sound.

Why is it that most factory amps only put out 10-20 watts of power to each channel? You don't need massive amount of power to create massive amounts of sound.

If you aren't looking for accurate sound, then go with a nice set of anything with a big magnet. They will definitely pump out lots of bass and ear tearing highs, just don't mistake that for accurate sound.

If you splice into the stock harness, use the stock mids and the stock tweeters with well designed crossovers and a decent amp, you will get magnificent sound without needing to throw hundreds of watts of power out the window.

Everything you've learned or experience in car audio is probably based around big sound or big bass. Not many people appreciate the subtle beauty of accurately reproduced music.
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 06:14 PM
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If money aint a problem you should get rainbow audio. A friend that works with me at circuit city has those and they are the craziest speakers I have ever heard. Real accurate no distortion. Completely amazing. I was listening to Bob Marley and Sublime and It sounded like they were sitting next to me. There from Germany. If you want more info just pm I kno a guy that can get a pretty good deal on them
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Old Sep 12, 2007 | 03:16 AM
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I've heard Rainbow as well and they are top notch. Was considering this brand but may be out of my budget range..

NoTLaDStyle - I understand what you are saying.
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Old Sep 12, 2007 | 07:40 PM
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I have no idea what your saying
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Originally Posted by NoTLaDStyle
accuracy. Not boomy bass or incredibly eminence sounding, OEM speakers will produce more accurate sound.

Didn't you ever wonder why an $800 Bose sound system uses paper cone speakers? They really aren't that stupid. Most poly-plastic based cones are too heavy to maintain accurate sound.

Why is it that most factory amps only put out 10-20 watts of power to each channel? You don't need massive amount of power to create massive amounts of sound.

If you aren't looking for accurate sound, then go with a nice set of anything with a big magnet. They will definitely pump out lots of bass and ear tearing highs, just don't mistake that for accurate sound.

If you splice into the stock harness, use the stock mids and the stock tweeters with well designed crossovers and a decent amp, you will get magnificent sound without needing to throw hundreds of watts of power out the window.

Everything you've learned or experience in car audio is probably based around big sound or big bass. Not many people appreciate the subtle beauty of accurately reproduced music.



i feel you're forgetting the demographics of the forum environment you are posting in. you are 100% correct on the advantages of lighter materials (paper) producing more accurate sounds, which is why the majority of high end home audio speakers use paper (or derivatives thereof). however, aftermarket speakers have 2 major benefits in an auto environment:

1. they WILL last longer. this is one of the reasons for using rubber instead of foam for surrounds, poly instead of paper cones, etc. i can appreciate your experience in the research and develpment phase of the auto industry, but having been in the real world installation phase of the business for over a decade, i can't tell you the number of torn up factory speakers that are replaced on a daily basis, caused by the heat and humidity (especially in florida), and of course, abuse (distortion).

2. the majority of people here are trying to get more volume. keep in mind the original poster is trying to add 3 10" subs to the system, and maintain balance in the mid and high frequency range. the higher wattage capability of aftermarket speakers will allow the rest of the system to keep up with the amount of bass being produced. 10-20 watts per channel is not going to cut it. a good rule of thumb is to have a 2 to 1 one ratio of power from subs to the rest of your system.
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