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Old 06-26-2014, 10:57 PM
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So you are saying it is solely the cutting of a spring that causes a crash and we are not to consider bald tires, potholes, driving in the rain, and unevenness of pavement? lol and are we to believe that while you personally
don't know how to precisely measure a suspension before altering a spring, that you believe that NO ONE knows how
to precisely measure a suspension?

Have you ever run around on bald tires in the front, Then accelerate quickly on a road like Dale Mabry. There are so many potholes and uneven levels in the road, You Tend to loose control very easy and could cause an accident.
Driving in the rain is even worse,....................(And Rainy Season Is right around the corner).
Uneven Spring Rates are the same Idea......If you have a stiff spring on one side and a weak spring on the other, Control is going to be a very hard thing to come by, especially on an uneven road!!!
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It's my belief that a spring which is too short is what causes the spring seat to pop out of the perch. It doesn't matter if you paid $300 for a spring that's too short or if you made it too short personally.
There are 6 types of springs. Not all springs have a flattened transition to them. I see nothing wrong with making a flattened transition/flat spot if the original setup had one. I know how to do that, but maybe you don't.
The cars I work on have an even ride height.

If I were to cut the top of a spring, I see no reason to leave angled sharp metal contacting the rubber top hat when I know how to make a smooth finish and I see no reason to destroy or gouge anything when I know how to avoid shoddy workmanship.

When a properly modified spring is lined up the same as the original spring, it should fit into the perch and top hat and requires no more settling than the spring that it replaced.

NUMBER TWO: Cutting a spring will give you a better chance of hitting a bump and popping the spring seat out of the perch.
All Produced springs have a flattened transition on them which lets the spring seat correctly on the shock/strut perch, and the rubber cup of the top hat.
If you cut a spring on the bottom, the flat spot is now gone and the angle of the coils will not hold in their proper indentation......which can create a very big and noisy problem when riding down a rough road, and may abruptly position the whole spring out of it's perch and wedge it at an angle overlapping the shock cup.
This will make the car's ride height uneven and dangerous when steering.

If you cut the top of the spring off, The combination of angled sharp metal and a rubber Top Hat will cause gouges in the rubber and evenly complete destruction, Then you will have a loose spring and much bigger and more expensive problems on your hands.
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There are some people who are bolt-on guys and don't know how to fabricate anything. When they mess something up, they tell everyone that no one else can do what they just attempted to do.

Generally a spring's purpose is to support the weight of a car and keep it from bottoming out. Stock springs were engineered/designed to support the weight of a car, so I believe spring rates close to stock, do what they were designed to do if a car is street driven. I believe heavier shocks and lighter wheels keep the tires in contact with the road longer during bumps and depressions.

In a racing application such as a banked turn, the car will "weigh" more than stock as it is pushed down into the banking by cornering forces, so heavier springs than stock are needed to keep the car from bottoming out.

In a racing application such as a car getting airborn, the car will "weigh"
more when it lands, as it is pushed down toward the pavement by an "increase" in gravity, so heavier springs than stock are needed to keep the car from bottoming out.-Bob


& NUMBER THREE:
A stock, cut spring will still have the stock spring rate. Aftermarket lowering springs have increased spring rates, usually about 25-30% stiffer than stock so it won't bottom out. If you cut stock springs, it will bottom out very hard and give a hellish ride. You'll blow your shocks and your car will ride ghetto. If you only want to lower your car and you don't have the funding to afford Tein, Neuspeed, or H&R, get some cheap ebay coilovers or invest in some Drop Zone Race springs. People who cut their springs to lower their cars, are cheap asses and shouldn't even be modifying cars IMHO. BUY SPRINGS and lower your car the right way the first time!!!!!!
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I believe that if the the stock springs had a set rate when they were wound, they will still be about equal to each other when they are shortened. I believe that aftermarket new springs will be about equal to each other when they were wound if a person buys name brand springs. I can check the spring rates. If they were within tolerance/about the same before modifying, they should be the same after modifying. Most aftermarket and some dealers cannot tell you what the rates are or tell
you what the tolerance is. Everything has a manufacturing tolerance.

After careful measuring of a suspension, I modify springs in pairs so they will be about equal to each other. If you yourself are doing one side of a car and then the other, maybe the springs you do, do not have the same spring rate. If slamming on your brakes causes your car to lean and swerve, I would look into working on the brakes to see why one side grabs better than the other.

& NUMBER FOUR: The biggest problem w/ cut springs, is that you have no Idea what sort of spring rates you have after you do it. Also, there is NO WAY to cut both sides so they come out w/ the same spring rate. This will give your car dangerous handling problems.
Imagine you slam on the brakes to save your life & the car leans to the Left side, causing your car swerve into oncoming traffic or to the right where there is a drop off from pavement to grass/dirt shoulder and you bottom out tearing up your oil pan or something worse.
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Old 06-27-2014, 09:27 AM
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A car will be bouncy because the shocks are bad. Springs that are too hard beat up the car, as well as cause the
car to lose grip with the road on the bumpiness of the street. If you personally are cutting out so much of the spring that you are significantly changing the spring rate, maybe you should go back and do some measuring of the suspension. If your car is resting on the bottomed-out shock instead of the springs, an aftermarket spring of the same height would also cause your car to rest on the bottomed-out shock.

Your next problem is that taking a spring & removing some of the coils will cause the spring to become much stiffer (less wire = harder spring). This is why your car will be Hella bouncy. The severe stiffness of the springs can't be overcome by the shocks & will cause them to be destroyed. Now you need new shocks, and that cost much more than really good lowering springs.
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Old 07-13-2014, 07:47 PM
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Why lower a car? lol



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