MK3 shortshifter

[Supra 3G]

Someone told me about a short shifter for the mk3 that can be made yourself. The guy who told me was named ellie and he's one this site but i don't know his user name. He called the shifter a sobi, or sogi, or something shifter and told me to go on supraforums and look it up and it would show me the parts i needed to make it. But that site is down or something so i was wondering if anyone else knew about it and could explain how to make it and the parts needed.
-thanks

[Orion ZyGarian]

SOGI, sites been down for a long time and roughly 1/2 the people that do it regret it. Its not worth it most of the time

[Supra 3G]

SOGI, sites been down for a long time and roughly 1/2 the people that do it regret it. Its not worth it most of the time

why do they regret it and is not worth it:dunno:

[cassio]

SOGI, sites been down for a long time and roughly 1/2 the people that do it regret it. Its not worth it most of the time

Most people that do it dont regret it, it depends on how you do it. Supra3g basically you remove the shifter, use a pipe cutter to shorten it, then get it rewelded.... thts the way I did mine. Most people just remove the outer casing for the shifter, cut it down, and rethread it. Once you take it apart you will see what I am talking about.

[Orion ZyGarian]

Eh..I've seen enough people that dont think it was worth it here and there, shortening the shifter isnt a necessity to me, and I'm fine with how mine is right know

That being said, I dont know how the frick you could mess that up and not do it correctly...perhaps those whom did it and regret it have an IQ of less than 80 :lol:

[Supra 3G]

the way you explained sounds good cassio, but the guy who was explaining it to me said something about getting some toyota factory part and getting new bushings. Do you know what he'd be talking about. The one he showed me on his sup was very tight(not a lot of wiggling around) as well as short.
-thanks for input guys

[Kirk]

ummm the shifter will be shorter but the throws between gears wont.... thats one of the most ghetto mods out there

[Supra 3G]

ummm the shifter will be shorter but the throws between gears wont.... thats one of the most ghetto mods out there

.........the shifter being shorter would allow your hand to move a shorter distance in order to move the knob from one gear to the next. The angle at which the shifter sits in each gear in relation to center consol wouldn't change but the distance from the tip of the shift knob in one gear to the tip of the shift knob in the next gear would be shorter then if it were a couple of inches higher.
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it can be compared to the two v's above. The angles of both v's are the same but the distance between the tips of v's are different.

[Supra 3G]

This is how you do it
http://tampasupras.suddenlaunch3.com/index.cgi?board=MK3Tech&action=display&num=1100066550

[Supra 3G]

The link above explains how to make the SOGI shifter and install it........i guess i answered my own question (or Idealsupra could have pointed something out)

[Kirk]

.........the shifter being shorter would allow your hand to move a shorter distance in order to move the knob from one gear to the next. The angle at which the shifter sits in each gear in relation to center consol wouldn't change but the distance from the tip of the shift knob in one gear to the tip of the shift knob in the next gear would be shorter then if it were a couple of inches higher.
v v
it can be compared to the two v's above. The angles of both v's are the same but the distance between the tips of v's are different.


Whatever you say, I did it on my MK3 on a spare shifter I had and the throws were not short... its a straight up GHETTO mod, get a real short shifter and stop being a cheap ass

[psifactor]

Whatever you say, I did it on my MK3 on a spare shifter I had and the throws were not short... its a straight up GHETTO mod, get a real short shifter and stop being a cheap ass

lol @ you

Only reason i considered doing this was because of appearance, i'll probably still get it done and have my friend make me something to shorten up the throw at the same time.

[Supra 3G]

Whatever you say, I did it on my MK3 on a spare shifter I had and the throws were not short... its a straight up GHETTO mod, get a real short shifter and stop being a cheap ass

lol, i think of it as saving money, not being a cheap ass.

[Kirk]

lol @ you

Only reason i considered doing this was because of appearance, i'll probably still get it done and have my friend make me something to shorten up the throw at the same time.

Yea I would do it for APPEARANCE only since it looks like a damn truck shifter :lol: but the throws are NOT short.... you felt how short the throw is on my car with a REAL shifter.. now feel it on that ghetto mod :dunce:

[Supra 3G]

Yea I would do it for APPEARANCE only since it looks like a damn truck shifter :lol: but the throws are NOT short.... you felt how short the throw is on my car with a REAL shifter.. now feel it on that ghetto mod :dunce:

i've actually shifted a car with the sogi mod and then got in mine and i could tell the difference. Not only was the sogi much tighter and secure in each gear, but like i tried to explain it to you above, the shift was shorter. When i say it was shorter i mean I MOVED MY HAND A SHORTER DISTANCE TO GET FROM ONE GEAR TO THE NEXT. I tried to explain this to you above using 8th grade geometry, but it doesn't matter. For those of thus out there who can't afford to pay 200+ dollars for a "REAL" short throw shifter, then this is by far the best option.

[Kirk]

trust me dude.. i had an mk3 before and this mod isnt giong to do shit for throws between shifts.. feel a real short shifter and feel that ghetto mod and see what I mean. Yea that mod does wonders for that "truck shifter" look that the mk3 has...but I wouldnt say it shortens the throw by much because it doesn't, and I am speaking from experience and not trying to be an asshole.

[Supra 3G]

..........yeah ok.

[Kirk]

ok then go for it... nobody is stopping you :dunce:

[cassio]

damn bitches, just had to return to this thread..... Im glad im part of such a great community of car owners. We supra people are always encouraging others to do things to their cars.... lol, anyway have fun w/ ur Sup.

-Ian

[Slash]

Part of the reason real short shifters are better than the ghetto mod is that because of the shorter length of the shifter rod, the effort of the shifts is doubled for every 1/2 of the rod you remove. Its simple leverage. Short shift kits are engineered to keep the load for shifting as close to stock as possible using different pivot points.

[RTA Supra]

Hey tyler....errr taylor....fuck I forgot your name,
The mod is obviously debatable from both sides. I think it's a great "free" mod. I love the way it feels, and I think it looks great. On the other hand, I think Kirk is trying to tell you that it's not a "short shifter" but a "shorter shifter" Either way, if you would like to take a spin in the parkin lot next wed night, that's fine with me. All you have to do is sign a waver :smirk:

[Supra 3G]

Hey tyler....errr taylor....fuck I forgot your name,
The mod is obviously debatable from both sides. I think it's a great "free" mod. I love the way it feels, and I think it looks great. On the other hand, I think Kirk is trying to tell you that it's not a "short shifter" but a "shorter shifter" Either way, if you would like to take a spin in the parkin lot next wed night, that's fine with me. All you have to do is sign a waver :smirk:

its tyler, and i looked for on wednesday but didn't see you. Did you even go to target or just to publix cause i only went to the target part and then went home

[Idealsupra]

trust me dude.. i had an mk3 before and this mod isnt giong to do shit for throws between shifts.. feel a real short shifter and feel that ghetto mod and see what I mean. Yea that mod does wonders for that "truck shifter" look that the mk3 has...but I wouldnt say it shortens the throw by much because it doesn't, and I am speaking from experience and not trying to be an asshole.


:jerkoff: :jerkoff:

when i can find a short shifter for my car as easily as you can for your mk4...then maybe ill consider it...right now any and all REAL short shifters for the mk3 are discontinued and rare...and when you do find them.. they are USUALLY selling for $300+.....

sorry but i have other things to be spending $300 on...especially since the main REAL short shifter for the MK3 SUCKS... the C's Shifter makes more people miss shifts with the mk3 then anything else...and a LOT of people who use it go back to either stock or the "ghetto" SOGI mod...

i love my sogi mod...and wouldnt have it any other way...

[Kirk]

:jerkoff: :jerkoff:

when i can find a short shifter for my car as easily as you can for your mk4...then maybe ill consider it...right now any and all REAL short shifters for the mk3 are discontinued and rare...and when you do find them.. they are USUALLY selling for $300+.....

sorry but i have other things to be spending $300 on...especially since the main REAL short shifter for the MK3 SUCKS... the C's Shifter makes more people miss shifts with the mk3 then anything else...and a LOT of people who use it go back to either stock or the "ghetto" SOGI mod...

i love my sogi mod...and wouldnt have it any other way...
Short shifters for MY car are discontinued and rare too buddy :jerkoff: O well have fun regardless, not my car :lol:

[cassio]

ur all white and have built inm short shifters so please close this thread :lol: u too kirk. hahahah pointless thread of the week... well wasnt pointless at first...

Anyway i was going to MeadowPoint two fridays ago w/ my gf to meet another chick and I saw a red mkiii id say an 88, looked pretty nice wondering if it were any of you two guys... i was in a silver civic, so u probably didnt notice me staring at you lol...

everytime I drive that car I see mkiii's when Im in mine I dont see one on the road.

-Ian

[Idealsupra]

Short shifters for MY car are discontinued and rare too buddy :jerkoff: O well have fun regardless, not my car :lol:

wow so what youre saying is i know more about your car then you do? considering the B&M short shifter is widely available for your car on justabout every performance website that caters to mk4s....

the C's shifter was discontinued for you however at the least mvp motorsports has brought it back so its available there...

i just looked there and they seem to have one for the mk3 as well so its obviously one-offs...either way they want almost 500 for yours and almost 400 for mine...FUCK THAT...

so like i said before....stop trying.

[Kirk]

find me a B&M for my car........ thanks

[Idealsupra]

find me a B&M for my car........ thanks

oh sorry forgot you had the allmighty NA-T swap :rolleyes:

well heres a TRD short shifter: TRD Short Shifter for 1993-98 Supra Non-Turbo 5-speed
ITEM # TR 33530-JX000
The only short shifter made for your 5-speed transmission! Included is a TRD shift knob, however any shift knob that fits your stock shifter will fit this shifter.
MSRP $334.00 Your Price $295.00

and im not positive because i never had a reason to look into it but im thinking the IS300 has the same style w58 as the NA MK4s do sooo..

heres B&M:
B&M Short Shifter for IS300
ITEM # B&M 45159
A B&M Short Throw Shifter is a direct, bolt-on, self-contained unit. When you buy a B&M Short Throw Shifter, along with the complete shifter unit, you get explicit installation instructions. Installation usually takes about 30 minutes with nothing more than ordinary hand tools.
MSRP $197.65 Your Price $165.00

and heres a PHR:
Powerhouse Racing Short Shifter Kit for IS300
ITEM # PHR IS300 Shifter
For the 2002-up five speed manual transmission IS300. This newly-developed billet short shifter reduces shift throw by approximately 30% while greatly increasing positive engagement feel. The OEM shifter in the IS300 is too tall to give the precise shift feel a sports car requires. The PHR short shifter is a full 3" shorter, making for crisp engagements and solid shifts. CNC machined from T-6061 Aluminum, the PHR short shifter is a must-have for any manual transmission IS300. Includes new teflon bushings, retaining ring, and rubber dust boot. This is a complete and direct replacement for the factory item, requiring no modifications whatsoever to the factory interior. Can be installed in minutes with basic hand tools without climbing under the car. The solid billet aluminum shift knob etched with the PHR logo also makes a nice addition to the interior. Please note that gear noise will be increased with the installation of this solid aluminum short shifter kit, as is normal with most aftermarket solid shifter kits.
MSRP $339.00 Your Price $299.00

[Kirk]

i have never seen a B&M for my car, and NO nothing for the IS300 goes onto the NA.... the only ones we can get are TRD

[Supra 3G]

Short shifters for MY car are discontinued and rare too buddy :jerkoff: O well have fun regardless, not my car :lol:

THAT IS NOT TRUE AT ALL! Short shifters for mk4 are not discontinued and definately aren't rare. Like Ideal said, u can find on almost all import performance web sites. To say that short shifters for ur car are rare is like saying that mk4 supras aren't popular. MK4 SUPRAS ARE ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR AND MOST WANTED IMPORT CAR OUT THERE. Because of that reason, short shifters and all other aftermarket parts for ur car are still being produced in pretty high numbers . But, the mark 3 supra short shifters ARE rare because they are not nearly as popular as the mk4 and is simply a much older car.................... and no one buys them anyway (cause mk3 owners know how to manage their money spending 300 dollars elsewhere besides a fucking "REAL" short shifter)............... 300+ bucks is better spent somewhere else especially if the sogi mod is almost free and it shortens the shift and looks great. That is my 2 cents for the rest of this thread. So anyone else out there reading, the link to make this shifter is on the first page of this thread.

and btw suprakid, stop posting in threads to bash it's contents if ur not 100% sure you have a fact to state that is disproving something and not an opinion that u have. I respect your OPINION, but if you don't have anything nice to say....................then don't say it

[Kirk]

hey little guy my car is an NA, the only shifters avaliable are the discontinued TRD and discontinued C's shifter... or that discontinued B&M which I am sure not many people at all have them.... the most widely used are TRD since they still have some in stock but in Japan which is where Toyota had to order mine from... but this thread isnt about my car, its about that ghetto mod, but okay... you guys win I am not going to argue over this :lol:

[BucsFanatic59]

lol, you guys are too funny.

[Supra 3G]

my point is that you just barely got your license but you are arguing over that mod being ghetto or not that has been out forever, if you want to do it then do it like I said.... I've had an MK3 and I've done all that and having what I have now I would just wait and do it the right way the first time.. thats all

being a new driver does not mean i am stripped of my rights to argue over debatable subjects such as this one. I had a "REAL" Steeda short throw shifter in my 5.0 mustang, and yes the throws were short and felt good. When i went and felt the SOGI mod for the mk3 the throws felt just a taaaaaaaad bit longer then like the short throw on my mustang, and like Slash said about the load thing, yes you gotta tug the shifter a little bit harder.......BUT, to pay 300 bucks just for a shifter thats a taaaaaaaad bit shorter and easier shift is just not something that i personally feel is worth it when u can get something that is in between stock and a "REAL" short throw for 15 bucks in parts. I would rather spend 300 bucks on the new carpeting i need, new seats to reduce weight, paint for my rear bumper, new brake rotors and calipers, new 17 inch rims, lsd, new shocks and springs, new windshield cause mine has a tiny crack, new window tinting cause the stuff on my car is bubbling, new speakers in the back cause one is blown and one is factory bs, new dampers for rear hatch, and lastly a new motor. I would rather save my money for all those things then blow 300 for a "REAL" short shifter when the SOGI mod is almost free. I'm finished with this thread and i hope that anyone reading this bs finds what their looking for on the first page. The rest is personal opinions and i hope it doesn't sway your decision on whether to do this mod or not. Neither me nor Supra kid are right or wrong..........we just tend to disagree on this subject
-good luck to all

[Supra 3G]

o, and btw supra kid, there are some people out there who take interest in cars and read magizines, internet forums, or have friends and family that share knowledge with them before the get there license. Just "BARLEY", as you put it, getting ur license by no means limits the amount of knowledge someone can have on ANYTHING. Did you think that I waited untill i was sixteen and then as soon as i got my license decided that i wanted to be an automotive enthusiest and start liking and learning about cars. OF COURSE NOT! So you saying that i am bent out of shape for arguing over a modification thats been out for years when i just "BARELY" got my license, is like saying u can't argue over whether or not the vietnam war was a good idea cause u weren't even born yet! O, and also, by looking at your birthday, u were probably four or five when this mod was made, so how do you have more of a right then me to talk about this. JEEEEEEEEEEEEEE WIIIIIIIIIIIZZZZZ

[Slash]

Do it if you want to. Dont if you dont.

It works but not as well, and you get what you pay for.

YOU DECIDE.

P.S. Crossthread arguements will not be tolerated.