I am sure they are are from e-bay. But even from e-bay they are 85. These rotors are so new they havent even rusted yet. Rust being a good thing. little education for you. faster the rotor rusts the better it is. iron has the highest coefficient of friction compared to other metals that might not rust as fast. Iron is cheap. Rotors dont need to be expensive to be good. I bought the cheapest rotor I could find for the evo 1 recent brake job. And they work fantastic. I also had to drill second set of holes myself as the rotor I needed was not available in 4 lug. I didnt worry about balancing them. Rotors drilled for multiple pattern is a non issue. especiallt when they are factory drilled and balanced afterwards. But hey. thanks for passing on them. It will be my pleasure passing the savings on to someone else.