i do agree JEs are moving their way to the bottom and I plan on replacing mine soon but in the meantime they are fine and i find them to be pretty reliable compared to some things i have heard but all I was saying by my last post was while a new company may be an up and comer that has a great product, why take the risk that they dont and be one of the first to buy them and have the misfortune to find out they are an inferior product so something like a CP or Endyn Wiseco... Also not to Hijack but who here uses, or knows someone who uses the rollerwaves... I was thinkin about rebuilding with those but would like a couple references first.... ok my hijacking is over.....