Lets just say Joe I run close to 12's but even better is I run those times on the stock downpipe and my stock cat that is probably gummed up like crazy with almost 100k miles on the car.... oh and on a sidemount too, so I think after xmas when santa brings me the downpipe which covers the cat too, I will be easy in the 12's on sidemount....

all the rest is a secret.