Well not to intrude in your peoples discussion/argument but I can vouch for the turbo SI. Not only did I see his car run a 12.5 at the track but Im good friends with him. So there would really be no reason for him to lie to me about the race. He isnt one of those types of people that bitch and moan about losing races. He also doesnt brag about beating someone. The way the conversations look on this topic it looks as if your trying to start a unneccessary fight over the computer which is completely unneccessary DSM. On the other hand Im not trying to start a fight with DSM also Im just speaking the truth. What you guys need to do is take it to the track where there is NO EXCUSES. Then you will be able to really tell whose car is faster. Other than that its always good to here of to cars battling it out. Just a little hint though cars with to much power will most likely lose races on the regular street to cars that dont have as much power. The capable performance of a car is proven on the drag strip no where else.