i posted origionally but i havnt talked w/ joe in a long time. i dont even have his # since he switched phones. obviously things have changed w/ him since he got his new job at lockhead martin. i knew him years ago and he always did great bussiness, but that was then. so its not that im "not a stand up guy", many will vouch for me, its that i dont know him these days and its been a long time since we spoken.