im sure theres some normal civic somewhere in the world making 1200 hp at the wheels, but am i going to even see it, no... and the day that i see as many 400+ civics driving around as i do V8's then i will agree with you, times are changing. Until then i could go online and find you some V8's making unbeleaveable #'s, and im sure you could do the same of civics as well but the small fact remains that the civic is not concidered as much of a threat as V8's are in this day and age.