they got the americanc ars being built in japan and the jap cars being built in America. I can't keep up.

Anything can be fast and EVERYONE on this site understands that. I prefer to v8's because of the sound Can't beat it IMO. Plus the fact that I paid 3k for my car and it was in the 14s bone ass stock.

What do you all consider a family car? I would consider it whatever your family buys to drive everyone around in. My mom has had 3 vettes and a couple z28s. I guess they are family cars, too

Insance civic, are you on crack btw? You do realize that rwd gives much better traction than fwd right? Your logic is waaaaaaaaaaay out there bud.