Im glad this thread came up. I was thinking about this earlier while browsing the classifieds, I completely agree with the OP. For some reason people think that they are going to get back what they put into the car, yet people fail to realize that cars are not an investment. (except older cars, etc) I mean is your stock honda/nissan/what the fuck ever you drive realllllly worth that much without p/s and a/c? You know they're right, thats just what I want.... I'd love to spend $5k+ to crank on a steering wheel like the steering rack is seized in 100+ degree heat. (exaggeration). Oh well didnt mean to rant, I just find the mentality of some sellers ridiculous.