MAn.. If you can pic them up at the fle-market for 50 bucks a sub... LOL.. I know people that have had them. Dont know how good they are. They might sound good but they will probably blow if you push them hard. And been told there not clean. (sound wise) They are the red ones correct? Made in germany also i think. There just a cheap sub like what you would get at bestbuy and what not.