You make good points. Yes for the average car hondata works the best. I have seen some very nice cars come out of your shop. You say after you tune Quickcivic that you will have 5 cars making exceptonal power (400+) on hondata. My point is a car such as Quickcivic has spent considerable amounts of cash on his car to make it fast. It seems to me he would want the best ECU. Is hondata the best? Yes it has come down in price, but is it the best? I chose AEM and it did cost me alot more than hondata. I wanted the best. I know you have alot of experience with hondata. Would you suggest it over another set up just based on price or do you feel it is truely the best? I wanted plug and play and liked all the new updates AEM has. I'm glad to get your opinion.