thanks, i'll check out those sites. my prob is no matter how hard i try, i cant justify spending baller $$$ on wheels. The "almost" perfect wheels for me on jdm-wheels were 18x8.5/9.5 +18 and so clean but they were the wrong lug pattern. and i would have convinced myself to shell out the $1000 for those. so, any leads you have (new or used) for under a grand, i'd love to hear about. haha