and i have a red top sr wit blk top ecu and crapy susp and 350z all stock runs low to mid 14's depending on driver i dont bother a whole lot wit them i like picken on STOCK corvette's NOT Z06 but havent tryed...lol but i have raced a 2010 camaro i have a video of my car beating one it was the orange SS that goes to ccc with 450 horse and with intake and exaust it was it was fun..lol