LTl's in nearly stock form are fucking slow. in my l80whp civic i've destroyed several. ask gus on the board about our race...it was over before it started as i jumped 2 cars ahead and continued to pull.

i have respect for a lot of domestic owners...especially the FAST LSI's etc..etc...

but its really not even worth talking about LTl powered vehicles anymore unless they are the lt4 or highly modified.