It's not the overall quality and performance of their products, it's the support and repair issues that they have. Eclipse has gotten super anal over the passed year about their warranty, and on top of that they are hardly licensing any new dealers, and taking licenses away from some dealers for not properly endorsing their products. I'm always on the lookout for oldschool Eclipse stuff, but even to this day they still manufacture a high quality product and you really do get what you pay for. Then again, I do have a Pioneer Premiere series headunit in my work truck that I absolutely love.