Epstein- thanks for clarifying that... i always thought those papers were crap, cause they always blow out on my 2 bolt 3"/3.5" exhaust gaskets... so, paper/metal up top, and the multi layer below...

ZenkiLB- they have a mani there, but nothing like what i need.... looks like good stuff though..

Petes- ISIS shit is just more ebay boop to me, but with a better name

hillbilly- that's a good idea, i hear the OEM manis are REALLY well made as far as flow and design... so i might stick with OEM... although do like the look of a tubular in there, and with the SSAC unit, with those 3" spaced welds, it looks like it's pretty stout compared to the other fare...