Having owned 4 its somewhat funny that you will find me one of the biggest honda haters now. I love the car and the motors but the scene and the people who are buying them now is a whole nother story I remember when the hybrid board wasnt all ricers trying to get lowball deals and everyone was trying to help each other out. but I guess if you wanna stay away from that you have to get a car that isnt followed by lowballers my next sports car will probably be a supra. As for now I have ended all ties with hondas.