^ Simple solution......if you feel that these well known and trusted tuners like Gadiel and SS etc are rip offs and/or scam artists then why dont you start tuning the locals cars for a price that you feel is fair. Then we can see how much power the cars you tune make and the times that they run. Then we will see if paying professionals that have been doing this for years and have thousands of tuned cars under their belts are worth the $$$$ .
Tuning pricing is determined just like everything else.......market value, credibility,experience,time invested.....etc etc

and yes this thread is being ruined because it is not a "whats your opinion on SS" or What's your opinion on tuners". You all can post up review in his shop forum or a thread about how people feel about tuners etc. Don't bash him in a thread that S&R started to gain clients. This isn't just towards you bcs