Here's an example of what I'm talking about. People who don't know what they're talking about, because they've never driven on anything else. No offense to this guy, because I'm sure they are a lot better than whatever he WAS using previous to the FZ4's, but they are by no means a performance tire. And they are FAR too expensive for what you get.

I can comment on these because I actually had a set on the Protege about 4 years ago.

These tires don't grip for crap. They are quite similar to the Nittos in tread compound, something quite close to all seasons. They are relatively loud at the limit, and the limit comes quick. What they are, is predictable. But they don't have half the traction of the ES100s and even the 712s have better performance. They did last a long time, but that lends itself directly to the fact that they suck as performance tires.

Durable? sure
Traction? where?